Spirit of NKS
09-02-2012, 05:15 AM
#4501
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
With all due respect, I don't think for a second anyone at AAY is afraid of anything you guys do. Again, no disrespect intended, but you are leaving that route because you are carrying a very low LF.
Most of our people who commute to and from use you guys because they can always get on.
You don't leave profitable routes... Just saying.
Most of our people who commute to and from use you guys because they can always get on.
You don't leave profitable routes... Just saying.
AAY wasn't even on my mind when I made that post.
As Sailor and 319Whisperer wrote, NK will leave profit.....for bigger profit, but my point was that NK may have never intended for the route to be long term when it initiated the run.
For example, once in the recent past, NK possessed the ability to fly a run over another carrier's money run. BBB held that in reserve and didn't fly it as long as the other carrier left us alone on our profit routes.
It is also possible that the Mesa run was initiated when substantive progress towards a merge with or sell to AAY was being made.
My point was simply that our CEO has a history of making multiple moves to achieve his goal. We usually only see the final move of the sequence.
FWIW, I'd love for AAY to buy Spirit. From what I see, AAY treats it's employees far better than the way Spirit treats us. Could be wrong.
09-02-2012, 05:19 AM
#4502
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
I fully agree with your first point, I don't think AZA-LAS was a shot at AAY, perse, to send a message. I do think NK saw potential Benjamin's and wanted the route to work but the loads/yields didnt work as such, and now Spirit is Audi 5000, G (out of there in lay terms) between the two cities.
However your second point couldn't be more off. Spirit has pulled out of profitable routes of late, when the aircraft could be used more profitably elsewhere.
When you have leases on planes that are relatively expensive you must do two things: 1) fly the s$@& out of them (14 or so hours a day as NK does) and 2) fly them where they make the most possible money. That often means cutting the good routes to add potentially better routes (you hope)
On the other hand, when you own many of your own oldies but goodies like AAY does, any profit no matter how small is worth chasing because what else is the plane doing while basking for hours in the Nevada sun, getting a tan? May as well put that pig to work.
As a E-speedie Winger I don't think one method is better than the next, just 2 different ways of getting Buck, Marilou and their critters down to Disney for the long weekend, and getting some aviation fools and aviation investors some cash out of the deal.
However your second point couldn't be more off. Spirit has pulled out of profitable routes of late, when the aircraft could be used more profitably elsewhere.
When you have leases on planes that are relatively expensive you must do two things: 1) fly the s$@& out of them (14 or so hours a day as NK does) and 2) fly them where they make the most possible money. That often means cutting the good routes to add potentially better routes (you hope)
On the other hand, when you own many of your own oldies but goodies like AAY does, any profit no matter how small is worth chasing because what else is the plane doing while basking for hours in the Nevada sun, getting a tan? May as well put that pig to work.
As a E-speedie Winger I don't think one method is better than the next, just 2 different ways of getting Buck, Marilou and their critters down to Disney for the long weekend, and getting some aviation fools and aviation investors some cash out of the deal.
Sorry Chopper, didn't intend to malign AAY. In fact my comment didn't say anything about AAY, it especially didn't say you were afraid of NK. I said that our CEO likes to send message to competitors. Also notice that I didn't say which competitor.
AAY wasn't even on my mind when I made that post.
As Sailor and 319Whisperer wrote, NK will leave profit.....for bigger profit, but my point was that NK may have never intended for the route to be long term when it initiated the run.
For example, once in the recent past, NK possessed the ability to fly a run over another carrier's money run. BBB held that in reserve and didn't fly it as long as the other carrier left us alone on our profit routes.
It is also possible that the Mesa run was initiated when substantive progress towards a merge with or sell to AAY was being made.
My point was simply that our CEO has a history of making multiple moves to achieve his goal. We usually only see the final move of the sequence.
FWIW, I'd love for AAY to buy Spirit. From what I see, AAY treats it's employees far better than the way Spirit treats us. Could be wrong.
AAY wasn't even on my mind when I made that post.
As Sailor and 319Whisperer wrote, NK will leave profit.....for bigger profit, but my point was that NK may have never intended for the route to be long term when it initiated the run.
For example, once in the recent past, NK possessed the ability to fly a run over another carrier's money run. BBB held that in reserve and didn't fly it as long as the other carrier left us alone on our profit routes.
It is also possible that the Mesa run was initiated when substantive progress towards a merge with or sell to AAY was being made.
My point was simply that our CEO has a history of making multiple moves to achieve his goal. We usually only see the final move of the sequence.
FWIW, I'd love for AAY to buy Spirit. From what I see, AAY treats it's employees far better than the way Spirit treats us. Could be wrong.
Thanks guys. I appreciate the info!
Good luck to us all!
09-02-2012, 05:41 AM
#4503
Works harder not smarter
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 142
8 Captains LAS - just posted.
09-02-2012, 06:13 AM
#4504
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
09-02-2012, 08:23 AM
#4505
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Seated
Posts: 338
Sorry Chopper, didn't intend to malign AAY. In fact my comment didn't say anything about AAY, it especially didn't say you were afraid of NK. I said that our CEO likes to send message to competitors. Also notice that I didn't say which competitor.
AAY wasn't even on my mind when I made that post.
As Sailor and 319Whisperer wrote, NK will leave profit.....for bigger profit, but my point was that NK may have never intended for the route to be long term when it initiated the run.
For example, once in the recent past, NK possessed the ability to fly a run over another carrier's money run. BBB held that in reserve and didn't fly it as long as the other carrier left us alone on our profit routes.
It is also possible that the Mesa run was initiated when substantive progress towards a merge with or sell to AAY was being made.
My point was simply that our CEO has a history of making multiple moves to achieve his goal. We usually only see the final move of the sequence.
FWIW, I'd love for AAY to buy Spirit. From what I see, AAY treats it's employees far better than the way Spirit treats us. Could be wrong.
AAY wasn't even on my mind when I made that post.
As Sailor and 319Whisperer wrote, NK will leave profit.....for bigger profit, but my point was that NK may have never intended for the route to be long term when it initiated the run.
For example, once in the recent past, NK possessed the ability to fly a run over another carrier's money run. BBB held that in reserve and didn't fly it as long as the other carrier left us alone on our profit routes.
It is also possible that the Mesa run was initiated when substantive progress towards a merge with or sell to AAY was being made.
My point was simply that our CEO has a history of making multiple moves to achieve his goal. We usually only see the final move of the sequence.
FWIW, I'd love for AAY to buy Spirit. From what I see, AAY treats it's employees far better than the way Spirit treats us. Could be wrong.
09-02-2012, 08:32 AM
#4506
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 163
I'd much rather be happily employed at a small carrier than be furloughed/ on reserve at a big carrier
09-02-2012, 08:55 AM
#4507
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: in front of a computer screen
Posts: 712
As Iron Mike would say, “dhats Ludacris”!
Not knocking Allegiant but like others have said, I would rather remain NK:-)
09-02-2012, 09:31 AM
#4509
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
...Seriously??? you have to be kidding! have you seen their contract or ask them how things are done over there?? If it is so so great, why prey tell did they just vote in the Teamsters; At least we have coffee makers and GPS!
As Iron Mike would say, “dhats Ludacris”!
Not knocking Allegiant but like others have said, I would rather remain NK:-)
As Iron Mike would say, “dhats Ludacris”!
Not knocking Allegiant but like others have said, I would rather remain NK:-)
Well, only 51% of the group voted them in. Working here doesn't suck for most, but I do understand why we are where we are.
09-02-2012, 10:05 PM
#4510
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Cessna Caravan
Posts: 15
So I'm curious...how's the schedule at NKS for someone who lives in base? What is the length of most trips (how many days)? Are there a lot of turns? How much flexibility do you have in your scheduling (i.e. how hard is it to drop trips on days you don't want to fly and pick up trips on your days off)? How long does one generally stay on reserve? How is the schedule for a typical reserve guy (again how easy or hard is it to drop/pick up reserve days)?
I know these are a lot of questions, but I'm trying to get a good feel for what the QOL is like in regards to the typical pilot's schedule.
Thanks!
I know these are a lot of questions, but I'm trying to get a good feel for what the QOL is like in regards to the typical pilot's schedule.
Thanks!
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