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12-29-2011, 01:25 PM
#3264
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... hence my "probably" 
Maybe Ram should try one of those "mini vacations" 
Maybe Ram should try one of those "mini vacations"
12-29-2011, 05:13 PM
#3266
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The "5" day (and even the "4") days off were to the best of the company's ability.
They just happened to set a precedent, and when they tried to challenge it, it didn't fly.
Now you guys are gonna make me look it up...
be back...
12-29-2011, 05:36 PM
#3267
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Sorry, my original wording was wrong. It is as follows BOLD and Italics added for viewing ease):
"To the maximum extent possible, blocks of five (5) consecutive
days off in domicile. In lieu of the above, to the maximum extent
possible, no less than four (4) consecutive days off in domicile,
except relief lines may contain blocks of less than four (4)
consecutive days off in domicile on the first three and last three
days of the month."
So when they "deviated" from the 4-5 days, they really weren't breaking the contract. But the precedent was there...
IMHO
"To the maximum extent possible, blocks of five (5) consecutive
days off in domicile. In lieu of the above, to the maximum extent
possible, no less than four (4) consecutive days off in domicile,
except relief lines may contain blocks of less than four (4)
consecutive days off in domicile on the first three and last three
days of the month."
So when they "deviated" from the 4-5 days, they really weren't breaking the contract. But the precedent was there...
IMHO
12-29-2011, 05:57 PM
#3268
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I've said it before- at least the wording in the "old" contract wasn't even that.
The "5" day (and even the "4") days off were to the best of the company's ability.
They just happened to set a precedent, and when they tried to challenge it, it didn't fly.
Now you guys are gonna make me look it up...
be back...
The "5" day (and even the "4") days off were to the best of the company's ability.
They just happened to set a precedent, and when they tried to challenge it, it didn't fly.
Now you guys are gonna make me look it up...
be back...
Sorry, we'll take another caller...
That wording was the same since 1999. In 2009ish the company challenged it. When the arbitration decision finally came down, they had to give us our 5 (or, to the max extent 4, to the max extent) days off. No penalty to the company for jacking us around on a 10 year old rule (not getting political, just saying - thanks NLRB!)
Anyway, the "4 days off" rule is word for word, the previous 5 days off rule, and based on the wording, we were lucky to keep that.
12-29-2011, 06:02 PM
#3269
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Started typing before your last post. Anyway, The wording in the old CBA was flimsier than the current MEC FPL sheet. Bottom line is, it used to be the "5 day off rule". Now after arbitration, its the "4 day off rule".
Same exact verbiage.
Just saying...
Same exact verbiage.
Just saying...
01-01-2012, 07:00 AM
#3270
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Posts: 147
Can anyone help with these initials? I'm having a tough time finding their names anywhere....thanks. PM me if need be.
Current CP is RD (former Virgin management pilot), and ACP is CG.
Current CP is RD (former Virgin management pilot), and ACP is CG.
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