Normann

Not so fast guys. I was thinking the same when I first heard the rumor.

Planes without hiring will not result in movement! I don't care for a single airplane if they can reduce our 1:14 plane/pilots ratio! It sounds like they were going for that and they wanted to do it permanently. It does not surprise me because QOL/schedules are the better parts of our CBA. They were simply trying to make up what they have lost at the table due to the inability of Monohan.

Regionals are staffing around 11-12 pilots per plane. With 12 per plane and 45 planes we would be at 540 pilots. Right now we have 500 and we are short. They can keep the planes as far as I care.

Remember guys! We are public. The grand daddy of stock growth is Top Line Growth! Increase in sales. We are at max as is. It seems wherever we put a plane the 80-90% load factor shows up over night. All the brand new LAS stuff was full when I flew it in the past weeks. They want those planes more than us!

But I do agree it would have been nice to hear about all this in an official email.

Left Handed

Not directed at you Norm, just thought it was a good post.


Why would we give concessions to the company at all? They want something (the planes, growth) so they are asking us to give up something in return??? eg. I want something so I want you to give up something to make it happen? That's ridiculous. If they want to grow, they should get to a point of being slightly overstaffed, so they can jump on something like this when the chance comes. I know that'll never happen, but them asking us to give up something is laughable. We should be asking them for something because it will make this company bigger and more profitable to get those A/C. Like Mormann said, 90% load factor in less than a week. What everyone needs to remember is that it takes money to make money, and that money shouldn't come from the pilot group. They will do whatever makes their stock go up the most. If that means getting more A/C, then they will do that without concessions if they need to. They saw this as an opportunity to get permanent concessions for something they were going to do anyway.

I'm no apologist, but the people who think we should give up something to get these airplanes are exactly not the people I want bargaining for me.

gatorbird

Yes- and that was the whole point of bringing it up. On a personal level, I'm not interested in trading QOL for a few shiny new (or repainted) jets either. However, we could very well have had some leverage with this situation. Why keep this stuff top secret? If the company did come to the MEC with an unacceptable offer, then just state it as such. Now the ball is in the company's court- you want 'em, you make it work. As it happened, it doesn't help the MECs image as a totalitarian rule.

My first thought when I heard about the 10 airframes was that the company was "fishing" for some concessions. The decision to accept/not accept the additional airframes was probably already made.

Left Handed

completely agree

TTOCSMCC

Remember the WARN letter?
Remember about a week prior Baldanza said that there would be no furloughs, that all our jobs were safe?
The premise of this discussion is based on incomplete information.... 10 hypothetical airplanes

TTOCSMCC

The company DOES NOT need concessions to grow, but they will seek concessions whenever and wherever they can.

dudeskibro

Is anyone concerned if the debt ceiling isn't resolved what this will do to the company?

shiftwork

Much more then just "the company" I'm concerned about.

Sailor

For the OPN TIME savvy ones, why every time that INIT OPN TIME comes on, FLL only shows the first 10 - 8 days of the month, what if i want to swap something toward the end of it?

Thx

Normann

this

and this

sums it up well