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11-13-2010, 10:39 AM
#2051
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Sounds to me like you had a predetermined view of our pilot group before you ever hit the send button. What could anyone do to change that view? Sounds like a waste of your (and my) time.
11-13-2010, 10:50 AM
#2052
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Who cares where she flies, its irrelevant to the topic. Also, she did not request a medical leave, she requested a personal leave so that she could fly for another company...totally different animal.
11-13-2010, 11:19 AM
#2053
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Ok unitedcop, I have done some research into this situation. I found out the real story here, and I have to tell you I am not at all impressed with your friend, nor are any of my colleagues as the details of this story get around on the line.
For those here who do not know, and since united felt it necessary to air this on a public forum, here are the facts...
One of our furloughees, who just happens to be on the very bottom of the list, is under contract out in the middle east. Per the CBA, she received her recall notice at Spirit. Since she is on the bottom of the list, and the recall went mandatory, she received her mandatory recall notice shortly thereafter. She was denied an LOA by the company and decided to contact the union. Only problem is, she didnt contact her furlough coordinator, nor did she attempt to contact anyone on the MEC. Instead, she thought her best course of action would be to write a scathing email to John Prater. I have read this email in its entirety. In it she accuses Spirit of hiring her with the sole intention of furloughing her. She insults the Spirit MEC and ALPA as a whole for not being able to help her. Her sense of entitlement is astounding. I was embarrased for her when I read this email. She, along with many others, have been on furlough for over 2 years. It has been no secret over the past 6 months that Spirit was to grow next year and recall all of its furloughed pilots. It is written in plain english in our CBA the process the company must follow while recalling those furloughed pilots. They have followed that procedure with zero exceptions. If it was her intention to return to Spirit then the resposnsibility to get her affairs in order to allow that to happen is hers and hers alone. The idea that somehow she is above the CBA and should be granted all this special treatment is utter nonsense. She is requesting that the company act in violation of the pilot contract. So according to her our pilot contract should be violated so that her pilot contract can be honored.
Look, it would be great if we had some clause in our contract to force the company to give her an LOA. If we did, you can be sure I and every single one of her colleagues here would stand up and fight for her. The simple fact is, we do not. She, along with every other furloughed pilot, knew this and knew the procedure for recall. Her acting like a child after being denied the LOA is not helping her cause. She is burning bridges at a very rapid pace.
For those here who do not know, and since united felt it necessary to air this on a public forum, here are the facts...
One of our furloughees, who just happens to be on the very bottom of the list, is under contract out in the middle east. Per the CBA, she received her recall notice at Spirit. Since she is on the bottom of the list, and the recall went mandatory, she received her mandatory recall notice shortly thereafter. She was denied an LOA by the company and decided to contact the union. Only problem is, she didnt contact her furlough coordinator, nor did she attempt to contact anyone on the MEC. Instead, she thought her best course of action would be to write a scathing email to John Prater. I have read this email in its entirety. In it she accuses Spirit of hiring her with the sole intention of furloughing her. She insults the Spirit MEC and ALPA as a whole for not being able to help her. Her sense of entitlement is astounding. I was embarrased for her when I read this email. She, along with many others, have been on furlough for over 2 years. It has been no secret over the past 6 months that Spirit was to grow next year and recall all of its furloughed pilots. It is written in plain english in our CBA the process the company must follow while recalling those furloughed pilots. They have followed that procedure with zero exceptions. If it was her intention to return to Spirit then the resposnsibility to get her affairs in order to allow that to happen is hers and hers alone. The idea that somehow she is above the CBA and should be granted all this special treatment is utter nonsense. She is requesting that the company act in violation of the pilot contract. So according to her our pilot contract should be violated so that her pilot contract can be honored.
Look, it would be great if we had some clause in our contract to force the company to give her an LOA. If we did, you can be sure I and every single one of her colleagues here would stand up and fight for her. The simple fact is, we do not. She, along with every other furloughed pilot, knew this and knew the procedure for recall. Her acting like a child after being denied the LOA is not helping her cause. She is burning bridges at a very rapid pace.
And thats how you put out a fire!
And as for that furlough pilot, just like all of us, got to really think before you sign contracts, beyond the tax free mula!.
Last edited by Sailor; 11-14-2010 at 04:40 AM.
11-13-2010, 03:37 PM
#2054
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LOA's should NOT be granted to furloughed pilots. Guess what, its time to come back to work.
11-13-2010, 07:49 PM
#2055
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Position: A320 Captain
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I agree MLOA vs PLOA is very very different. 6 or 7 months with 2 months of training puts her out anyway, so why not wait until she can return for good. I know for a fact she would like to return but just not until it makes sense.
To Commuter: I agree with you but don't be so black and white about it. It's been 2 1/2 years for me. I found something that pays better and I have a wedding to pay for in 8 months. I would prefer to stay where I am for another year but thats not going to happen. I am sure alot of others feel the same way. I decided to come back based on the "possible" future at Spirit. This might be an easier decision for some people but not everyone. So please support your fellow pilots in THEIR decision.
11-14-2010, 01:04 PM
#2056
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[QUOTE=unitedcop30;900396]Left handed - the way out recall rights work at United is like this...they go down the list once...you either come back when they call or not. If you don't come back you still have the right to for 10 years from your furlough date. You just call them up and tell them you're ready to come back...the only catch is they have to be actively hiring at that time. If Spirit had something like this I'm sure your furloughs would like it much better, than this immediate December 1 class call they got.QUOTE]
Wow, that is quite different from our CBA.
I too have read the email, and even though some facts are wrong, I have to agree with Scott. She needs to look at and follow her contract. I think we already have too many people here that want to have their cake and eat it too. Too many people have seniority numbers somewhere else, and want to have this in their back pocket just in case. Several have now gone back to thier previous carriers and held onto a seniority number here also. That is no fair to the great majority of us that don't have a backup. If she really has a great job like she has stated, she should stay there and buy an airplane. If she loves this job, then come back but do it as part of the team. We are a very small airline, and everyone knows everyone. I would suggest to her that she is getting a reputation already for herself for going around the chain of command. I would imagine that anyone who flies with her will be worried that they will be called in for a carpet dance without any disscussion from her, subject to her whims on that day. She has already shown that she does not abide by the contract (or she wants the company to not). Our union furlough guy has done a good proactive job in keeping everyone informed, and she should not have been caught by surprise on this.
Wow, that is quite different from our CBA.
I too have read the email, and even though some facts are wrong, I have to agree with Scott. She needs to look at and follow her contract. I think we already have too many people here that want to have their cake and eat it too. Too many people have seniority numbers somewhere else, and want to have this in their back pocket just in case. Several have now gone back to thier previous carriers and held onto a seniority number here also. That is no fair to the great majority of us that don't have a backup. If she really has a great job like she has stated, she should stay there and buy an airplane. If she loves this job, then come back but do it as part of the team. We are a very small airline, and everyone knows everyone. I would suggest to her that she is getting a reputation already for herself for going around the chain of command. I would imagine that anyone who flies with her will be worried that they will be called in for a carpet dance without any disscussion from her, subject to her whims on that day. She has already shown that she does not abide by the contract (or she wants the company to not). Our union furlough guy has done a good proactive job in keeping everyone informed, and she should not have been caught by surprise on this.
11-14-2010, 04:17 PM
#2057
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This email is quite embarrassing. Nice way to make a name for herself.
11-15-2010, 05:08 AM
#2058
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if I was her, and I'm NOT, I would not want to come back (hint hint) but then again I've played by the rules and not made up my own.
11-15-2010, 02:02 PM
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Did any of the NH's get a second call postponing the interview for DEC01 or later?
Did the company say why?
Did the company say why?
11-15-2010, 02:17 PM
#2060
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My friends interview was on Wed Nov. 10th. He is still waiting for a call.
Does anyone know if anyone has been called yet from the first interview class?
JN
Does anyone know if anyone has been called yet from the first interview class?
JN
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