Spirit of NKS
11-12-2010, 06:33 AM
#2031
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Furloughed A320 FO
Posts: 24
gatorbird, are you on the mec by chance? If you are, can you post up how the mec fought to get leave of absences granted for your pilots? I'm just curious. I dont want to get into a back and forth here, ranting and raving against each other, comparing airlines, just curious. And to answer your question, the Airbus is really easy to fly, especially with United's excetional training, it was even easier.
11-12-2010, 06:42 AM
#2033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 944
Originally Posted by unitedcop30
It's also funny that with the new contract first year pay actually DECREASED! Are you serious? I am furloughed from united...and although united has their shortcomings..the pilot group would NEVER let this occur.
Originally Posted by unitedcop30
And the spirit contract states no full retraining unless you've been out 36 months...so the furloughs would get a measly three or four sims then check ride....after they've been out 2 years. Totally not cool in my book...actually bush-league!!! They have no regard for their furloughed pilots and their families/situations.
Originally Posted by unitedcop30
There are furloughed guys flying in the middle east that can't break their contracts, and now they will lose their seniority number because there are no leave of absences being granted.
Originally Posted by unitedcop30
The way spirit management runs the airline all it will take is a stiff breeze in FLL to furlough again
once again, take a look at your own operation before you throw stones. I could type for hours about how mgmt runs things at United. Your CEO has managed to single handedly destroy one of the greatest airlines in the world, so please save me your criticisms of ours.
11-12-2010, 06:54 AM
#2034
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Furloughed A320 FO
Posts: 24
Oooohhh..I touched a nerve, now we're getting angry. I see this is a pointless discussion anyways. How bout this...you stay happy at Spirit, since it's the greatest airline out there, and you'll probably never apply anywhere else anyways, and it's a way better airline than United, as you've so eloquently put it, and I'll just look forward to my recall at that horrible place called United.
11-12-2010, 07:39 AM
#2035
First Rule of Fight Club
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: My seat smells like cat pee
Posts: 1,536
Does that make it a MLOA or a PLOA?
11-12-2010, 08:17 AM
#2036
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: in front of a computer screen
Posts: 712
FWIW: I have more days off, 15 instead of 13 and I earn more!!! But then again, with guys on the street, I wasn't one to do the OT stuff anyway......
11-12-2010, 11:10 AM
#2037
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
Posts: 492
I have a friend furloughed from spirit...recall went mandatory...no option for leave of absence. And the spirit contract states no full retraining unless you've been out 36 months...so the furloughs would get a measly three or four sims then check ride....after they've been out 2 years. Totally not cool in my book...actually bush-league!!! They have no regard for their furloughed pilots and their families/situations. There are furloughed guys flying in the middle east that can't break their contracts, and now they will lose their seniority number because there are no leave of absences being granted. I find it funny how spirit all of a sudden needs All their furloughs back due to extreme growth. I'll believe it when I see it. The way spirit management runs the airline all it will take is a stiff breeze in FLL to furlough again..and trust me...Baldanza does not give two craps about any pilot at spirit. And it would have been nice to see spirits mec fight for the leave of absence for their furloughed guys. It's also funny that with the new contract first year pay actually DECREASED! Are you serious? I am furloughed from united...and although united has their shortcomings..the pilot group would NEVER let this occur.
United,
I have an honest queston (no flame). Your recall rights are 10 yerars. Can you pick the date you want to return in those 10 years? I have read this persons diatribe and they seem to think that you can just stay out for however long and go back not when the company calls, but when you want. In other words, can all of the recalls be back except one person, and then United starts hiring without doing a mandatory recall? If so what happens to the furloughed person? Do they lose seniority as new employees are hired above them? How does an LOA differ from this? I'm interested to find out the differences in your contract.
11-12-2010, 05:01 PM
#2038
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
Gator,
Thanks for the posts. But there a few things wrong. The company will not grant a LOA with a good reason, the contract states that they "may", not "will". All furloughed pilots received a letter stating that there would be absolutely no LOA's.
Also as for the training. I believe it to be a little short on what we need. We do not get the full training cycle. We get what is called curriculum B.
"
Dequalified 12 but less than 36 months ‐ must complete requalification curriculum B to requalify."
This is an extremely short ground school and 3 sims followed by a PC. This comes straight out of the FOM.
Thanks for the posts. But there a few things wrong. The company will not grant a LOA with a good reason, the contract states that they "may", not "will". All furloughed pilots received a letter stating that there would be absolutely no LOA's.
Also as for the training. I believe it to be a little short on what we need. We do not get the full training cycle. We get what is called curriculum B.
"
Dequalified 12 but less than 36 months ‐ must complete requalification curriculum B to requalify."
This is an extremely short ground school and 3 sims followed by a PC. This comes straight out of the FOM.
But don't focus on the initial vs. requal training thing. What is important is that the airline's training department DOES NOT want anyone to wash. First, there are few egos over there; the environment is very relaxed and non-pressured. Out of 3 airlines, my experience through this schoolhouse was by far the most at-ease. And like I said before- why would the company NOT want to encourage the returning furloughs to succeed, even if it meant authorizing an additional training session or two? Talk about cost benefits...
My point about the LOAs: the company is already granting the returning furloughs one 6-month LOA by giving them the option of when to return, given that the recalls were called in October and they have until as late as April to accept a class date.
11-12-2010, 05:15 PM
#2040
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
gatorbird, are you on the mec by chance? If you are, can you post up how the mec fought to get leave of absences granted for your pilots? I'm just curious. I dont want to get into a back and forth here, ranting and raving against each other, comparing airlines, just curious. And to answer your question, the Airbus is really easy to fly, especially with United's excetional training, it was even easier.
Exactly how do you fight the company when they followed the CBA on this subject (LOAs)? The MEC has other fights to fight, namely in those areas where the company is NOT following the CBA.
And for the record, I'm not ranting and raving- just trying to answer the questions YOU asked. Maybe you should be worrying about what's going on on your side of the fence- like how United's MEC has sold scope to the point that it's rendered you unemployed. I know it has Continental's MEC's attention.
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