Spirit of NKS
09-10-2010, 08:00 PM
#1831
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I don't think you are wrong at all, but I do think that being right doesn't necessarily equate to winning. I'm looking for a way to regain something. At the moment, SPA ALPA is riding herd on the pilot group in an attempt to force some sort of staffing formula onto the company. I'm only looking for some way to accomplish that goal without penalizing individual pilots in the current manner. If you've got a better idea, I'm all ears.
I think a lot of us missed the point of the strike, specifically the "what do you want to give up for that", and the "the pie is only this big" crowd. With an LOA, you may need to give something up to gain something else, but there is value in a strike. We had the right to continue the strike. We should have given up that right for something, but all I kept hearing was "you need to give". And we did, we gave up our right to strike for a sub-par contract... We gave up.
09-11-2010, 05:05 AM
#1832
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
Yeah, I have an idea. Hold them to the 12% requirement. If they are in compliance, then we agree with them that we are properly staffed, and we will have to negotiate a new percentage or formula next time, or give up something else now with an LOA.
I think a lot of us missed the point of the strike, specifically the "what do you want to give up for that", and the "the pie is only this big" crowd. With an LOA, you may need to give something up to gain something else, but there is value in a strike. We had the right to continue the strike. We should have given up that right for something, but all I kept hearing was "you need to give". And we did, we gave up our right to strike for a sub-par contract... We gave up.
I think a lot of us missed the point of the strike, specifically the "what do you want to give up for that", and the "the pie is only this big" crowd. With an LOA, you may need to give something up to gain something else, but there is value in a strike. We had the right to continue the strike. We should have given up that right for something, but all I kept hearing was "you need to give". And we did, we gave up our right to strike for a sub-par contract... We gave up.
09-11-2010, 03:28 PM
#1833
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If this contract would have swing in any other direction, we would have the same reaction, maybe not from Rod and other fellow co-workers.
Maybe me and others would be in total disapproval.
It's the nature of the contract Neg., But i agree, i don't believe we gave up. Our MEC and the Negotiations Committee, negotiated to the best of their abilities with the best intentions.
I would be IMPOSSIBLE to achieve 100 % approval, IMPOSSIBLE.
The cool thing, we can still fly together!!
Cheers.
09-11-2010, 06:44 PM
#1834
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 944
Bid out soon...
10 upgrades with associated recalls(I assume around 20).
Effective Dec 1st, training in Nov.
10 upgrades with associated recalls(I assume around 20).
Effective Dec 1st, training in Nov.
09-12-2010, 08:47 AM
#1835
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Posts: 712
good news.
09-12-2010, 06:16 PM
#1838
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Posts: 1,577
You obviously are not prepared to debate the subject on its merits.
Anyway, recall and upgrade rumor is good. I look forward to reading about it through official channels soon.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
09-13-2010, 02:27 AM
#1839
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Didn't take that long!
Debate what, something that's done?, instead of just pulling fwd and just enjoying what you have.
That kind of havoc. At least you agree on recalls and hopefully you don't think that they may take your job!!
Peace.
Debate what, something that's done?, instead of just pulling fwd and just enjoying what you have.
That kind of havoc. At least you agree on recalls and hopefully you don't think that they may take your job!!
Peace.
09-13-2010, 01:51 PM
#1840
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Posts: 1,577
Does anyone know what definition of 'red-eye plus one' we ended up agreeing to? The one in the draft and final is incorrect, as I remember the MEC putting out a message after the fact that the published definition did not include red-eye turns. It was just meant to stop the 'east/west' stuff.
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