Spirit of NKS
08-01-2010, 10:55 AM
#1691
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08-01-2010, 01:18 PM
#1692
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Im sorry and how would you know. If what you are saying is true, they should have received the recall letters ohhhh, say 40-30 days ago.
You are aware that we were in contract negotiations, and that went thru a 5 day strike, we were asked to READ the TA and vote, and then we sign a new contract.
Now, as somebody mentioned before, airplanes do cause recalls then new hires (ie: A320 the last 3 on property). Under your assumption we would have indefinitely long contracts.
Please stop confusing everyone.
You are aware that we were in contract negotiations, and that went thru a 5 day strike, we were asked to READ the TA and vote, and then we sign a new contract.
Now, as somebody mentioned before, airplanes do cause recalls then new hires (ie: A320 the last 3 on property). Under your assumption we would have indefinitely long contracts.
Please stop confusing everyone.
08-01-2010, 01:39 PM
#1693
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
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I think your missing the big picture. Spirit was hiring all those people in '08 because of all the growth/orders planned. Then oil prices went ape, the global economy contracted on levels not seen for decades, and credit dried up. So all plans had to be put on hold. Fast forward 2 years; were still in a recession, unemployment is 9.5%, but were moving forward. New planes on property this year, new routes/destinations, and orders. Now that the labor strife is out of the picture, we can move forward. Within a year all the furloughed will be back and we will be hiring. Take you negative attitude back over to the other board where you have more support with all your doom-and-gloom theorys
08-01-2010, 04:21 PM
#1694
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Posts: 82
At the road show I was given some info,
1. All pilots on leave were called just before the strike and was told that if they did not come back they would be taken off the Sen. List. From what I was told only 2 or 3 decided to come back.
2. One class in Sept and one in Oct. One of these 2 classes may be canceled due to the new contract and OT Staffing. Some feel OT will not go down some fell it will. Time will tell. 2 new ground school instructors are not just for recurrent. Fact is this airline was so short in high season that they have the instructors flying the line and are waiting for low season to pull them from the line for training.
I personally think why pick up OT for 100% there is no incentive. I think 20 to 30 % of the OT Pilots will stop. Which will be enough to offset some if not all the efficiencies in the new contract.
3. OT issue
I was told by MEC and SEC that OT will ONLY be voted back in when the following happens:
1) All furloughed pilots are back on the line.
2) Spirit management has enough coverage for Swaps and Drops and floating Vacation. Red and Green system is up and running and working properly. If the new electrically controlled system does not help us they can go back to the old manual system. Which the company does not want since the requirements are higher.
I don't think we will ever see 1 AC per month starting in Sept.
My crystal ball is as follows based on information from several sources.
1 class in Oct for High season. No class in Sept. One small class in Nov and 1 class in Jan and 1 in Feb. that will get us down the list at least once. This way all the guys that want to come back get back.
No new hire classes until end of next year.
I also think if OT comes back it will not be at 150%. I see 125% to 130%
JN
1. All pilots on leave were called just before the strike and was told that if they did not come back they would be taken off the Sen. List. From what I was told only 2 or 3 decided to come back.
2. One class in Sept and one in Oct. One of these 2 classes may be canceled due to the new contract and OT Staffing. Some feel OT will not go down some fell it will. Time will tell. 2 new ground school instructors are not just for recurrent. Fact is this airline was so short in high season that they have the instructors flying the line and are waiting for low season to pull them from the line for training.
I personally think why pick up OT for 100% there is no incentive. I think 20 to 30 % of the OT Pilots will stop. Which will be enough to offset some if not all the efficiencies in the new contract.
3. OT issue
I was told by MEC and SEC that OT will ONLY be voted back in when the following happens:
1) All furloughed pilots are back on the line.
2) Spirit management has enough coverage for Swaps and Drops and floating Vacation. Red and Green system is up and running and working properly. If the new electrically controlled system does not help us they can go back to the old manual system. Which the company does not want since the requirements are higher.
I don't think we will ever see 1 AC per month starting in Sept.
My crystal ball is as follows based on information from several sources.
1 class in Oct for High season. No class in Sept. One small class in Nov and 1 class in Jan and 1 in Feb. that will get us down the list at least once. This way all the guys that want to come back get back.
No new hire classes until end of next year.
I also think if OT comes back it will not be at 150%. I see 125% to 130%
JN
08-02-2010, 06:43 AM
#1695
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
... I think 20 to 30 % of the OT Pilots will stop. Which will be enough to offset some if not all the efficiencies in the new contract.
I was told by MEC and SEC that OT will ONLY be voted back in when the following happens:
1) All furloughed pilots are back on the line.
2) Spirit management has enough coverage for Swaps and Drops and floating Vacation. Red and Green system is up and running and working properly. If the new electrically controlled system does not help us they can go back to the old manual system. Which the company does not want since the requirements are higher.
JN
Secondly, regarding the conditions stated above for the return of premium OT, if those conditions are met (which they never will here), the company will not NEED premium pay. So basically, it aint coming back.
08-02-2010, 02:17 PM
#1696
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Posts: 82
How did you get the 1100? Is that 1100 more hours per seat or total?
08-02-2010, 05:48 PM
#1699
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
No assuming. They couldn't build every line to 85 before, they can't build every line to 90 now, but, during the busy season, I'll bet you your ALPA tie you see close to a 5 hour increase in avg line value.
BTW, it doesn't matter if its the whole 5 hours, or 1 hour, it's still forced OT. YOU, Capt Scott will become what you hate, an OT W****!
You can try, but it won't wash off!
08-02-2010, 06:53 PM
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 319/320/321...whatever it takes.
Posts: 492
Well, I haven't seen more than 13 days off in a long time. If they can put 5 more hours of flying on my line they will have to make one of my existing trips more efficient. I'm all for making more and being gone the same. If they make the trips more efficient during the busy season, they will be hard pressed to explain why the schedules get worse for the not so busy season. Hopefully the days off will increase in the slow season (I almost said that with a straight face
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