Spirit of NKS
09-29-2015, 09:23 AM
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Huh? That makes a lot of sense, right? The burden is not on me or on anyone else, but rather on those who were elected and appointed to negotiate with the shrewd leaders of the corporation. I only have that one vote and phone/email to express my discontent at the naïveté and weakness we're all starting to see unfold.
09-29-2015, 10:00 AM
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Agreed. But at least, in my view, they weren't trying to blow smoke up our arses about how nice and cooperative management is. I'd never envision the "old guys" answering phones in SOC to please the COO and in exchange of goodwill. FUPM!
09-29-2015, 10:16 AM
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Weren't blowing smoke? YGTBSM! The same group that said if you vote no, we are in no-man's land? The same group that showed us a TA 3 weeks after we went back to work? Same group that showed their technical competence by not including a contingency in the back to work agreement about what happens if there was a no vote? Or was that planned as leverage to use against us?
09-29-2015, 10:36 AM
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Weren't blowing smoke? YGTBSM! The same group that said if you vote no, we are in no-man's land? The same group that showed us a TA 3 weeks after we went back to work? Same group that showed their technical competence by not including a contingency in the back to work agreement about what happens if there was a no vote? Or was that planned as leverage to use against us?
09-29-2015, 11:06 AM
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So it's ok to screw over the membership to further the Mother Ship's agenda? Sounds backward to me. Then again, I'm not a fan of the new guys either. In particular the MEC chair also serving as status rep.
09-29-2015, 11:14 AM
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Weren't blowing smoke? YGTBSM! The same group that said if you vote no, we are in no-man's land? The same group that showed us a TA 3 weeks after we went back to work? Same group that showed their technical competence by not including a contingency in the back to work agreement about what happens if there was a no vote? Or was that planned as leverage to use against us?
You are both correct. A320 said that they weren't blowing smoke regarding "how nice and cooperative management is", and that's true. SC and DP (especially DP) made it perfectly clear that they weren't friends with management.
And of course, Ram you are 100% correct about the MEC/NC blowing smoke about anything else.
For the peanut gallery, I leave it at this, we went on strike to make big gains, to place our contract on par with our peers. What we received from the strike was hugely disproportional to the risk we took by walking out. When the MEC/NC got called out in road shows for the inadequacy of the TA, their answer was as Ramrod states. They blew smoke up our skirts by failing to inform us that they had ALREADY legally obligated us to return to work under the TA.
When Ram talks, those of us who were here, we tend to listen!
09-29-2015, 12:31 PM
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You are both correct. A320 said that they weren't blowing smoke regarding "how nice and cooperative management is", and that's true. SC and DP (especially DP) made it perfectly clear that they weren't friends with management.
And of course, Ram you are 100% correct about the MEC/NC blowing smoke about anything else.
For the peanut gallery, I leave it at this, we went on strike to make big gains, to place our contract on par with our peers. What we received from the strike was hugely disproportional to the risk we
took by walking out. When the MEC/NC got called out in road shows for the inadequacy of the TA, their answer was as Ramrod states. They blew smoke up our skirts by failing to inform us that they had ALREADY legally obligated us to return to work under the TA.
When Ram talks, those of us who were here, we tend to listen!
And of course, Ram you are 100% correct about the MEC/NC blowing smoke about anything else.
For the peanut gallery, I leave it at this, we went on strike to make big gains, to place our contract on par with our peers. What we received from the strike was hugely disproportional to the risk we
took by walking out. When the MEC/NC got called out in road shows for the inadequacy of the TA, their answer was as Ramrod states. They blew smoke up our skirts by failing to inform us that they had ALREADY legally obligated us to return to work under the TA.
When Ram talks, those of us who were here, we tend to listen!
What should we do? It's multiple choice.
A. Quit and go on LTD
B. Go to China and hide
C. Quit, and put SPA in receivership
D. Go to Olive Garden and complain umongst ourselves
E. Displace the LEC via base closure so you can work with snakes
F. Change the pay schedule, "to eliminate pay discrepancies" via LOA
G. Login via 9 different user names on APC and push your agenda
H. All of the above
I. ****
I vote "I"
😀
09-29-2015, 01:34 PM
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What should we do? It's multiple choice.
A. Quit and go on LTD
B. Go to China and hide
C. Quit, and put SPA in receivership
D. Go to Olive Garden and complain umongst ourselves
E. Displace the LEC via base closure so you can work with snakes
F. Change the pay schedule, "to eliminate pay discrepancies" via LOA
G. Login via 9 different user names on APC and push your agenda
H. All of the above
I. ****
I vote "I"
😀
A. Quit and go on LTD
B. Go to China and hide
C. Quit, and put SPA in receivership
D. Go to Olive Garden and complain umongst ourselves
E. Displace the LEC via base closure so you can work with snakes
F. Change the pay schedule, "to eliminate pay discrepancies" via LOA
G. Login via 9 different user names on APC and push your agenda
H. All of the above
I. ****
I vote "I"
😀
09-29-2015, 01:35 PM
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Posts: 279
What should we do? It's multiple choice.
A. Quit and go on LTD
B. Go to China and hide
C. Quit, and put SPA in receivership
D. Go to Olive Garden and complain umongst ourselves
E. Displace the LEC via base closure so you can work with snakes
F. Change the pay schedule, "to eliminate pay discrepancies" via LOA
G. Login via 9 different user names on APC and push your agenda
H. All of the above
I. ****
I vote "I"
😀
A. Quit and go on LTD
B. Go to China and hide
C. Quit, and put SPA in receivership
D. Go to Olive Garden and complain umongst ourselves
E. Displace the LEC via base closure so you can work with snakes
F. Change the pay schedule, "to eliminate pay discrepancies" via LOA
G. Login via 9 different user names on APC and push your agenda
H. All of the above
I. ****
I vote "I"
😀
09-29-2015, 03:33 PM
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