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09-19-2015, 11:36 AM

#13791

Plane Ramrod

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Originally Posted by skybolt

They won't put it out until it is "the right deal for the Spirit Pilots", therefore we must know that they achieved the survey goals, right?

This is true. I guess membership ratification is just a formality then too since they know what the right deal is. Sounds like an offer we can't refuse

On a separate topic, did they ever update the policy manual to include that deal about requiring a membership vote on all matters that effect pay etc? That whole thing was kind of like a big foot sighting. I heard a lot about it but never actually saw it myself.

09-19-2015, 12:32 PM

#13792

Mizzen wizzen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skybolt

"Your negotiators will continue to bargain for improvements until we and our professional ALPA negotiators feel there are no further gains available.

The same professional negotiator foretold of terrible doom if we didn't take the last deal on the first round too. Oh, and let's not forget how he stuck his head in the sand re: public offering. Assured us there was no plans for the company to go public and therefore NO STOCK FOR YOU!!

09-19-2015, 02:09 PM

#13793

Judge Smails

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Originally Posted by skybolt

They stated that they will negotiate until they FEEL no further gains are available.

Well when the fukc else would you stop negotiating? Seriously....some of you guys are over the top with this crap.

09-19-2015, 02:22 PM

#13794

skybolt

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

Well when the fukc else would you stop negotiating? Seriously....some of you guys are over the top with this crap.

You guys told the group, "fill out surveys, tell us what you want", now you're saying that you'll negotiate til you feel like you're done. Either tell us that you're going for the best - as in "trust us" - or keep going until you get what we asked for in the surveys. If not, resign and let someone else try their hand at getting what the pilots want. There has been a tremendous amount of infighting and backstabbing over who sits on the Negotiation Committee, you guys fought hard to keep your team in place, you owe it to the pilot group to produce.
Two Article 8 hearings over MEC/NC control took place, this was important enough to you to try that in an attempt to maintain control, so produce already.

09-19-2015, 02:32 PM

#13795

Plane Ramrod

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

Well when the fukc else would you stop negotiating? Seriously....some of you guys are over the top with this crap.

Um... when the objective is reached?
I would think that would be in negotiating 101, or at least covered at alpa negotiating day camp. Nah, check that, it's just common sense.

09-19-2015, 04:40 PM

#13796

Sailor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod

Um... when the objective is reached?
I would think that would be in negotiating 101, or at least covered at alpa negotiating day camp. Nah, check that, it's just common sense.

Not to get in a ****ng match with you ram, and not to justify an easy out from negotiations, but if the objective isn't met? How long are we all willing to go w/o a contract, because a release this time may be a little difficult.

On another note I agree that with a TA I would like to see the answers on the surveys.

09-19-2015, 05:00 PM

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Plane Ramrod

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Originally Posted by Sailor

This is exactly the type of thinking the company is counting on, and the reason we may never see industry standard anything. The company delays a while and enough of us are willing to accept an excrement sandwich now, vs holding out. Add a five year CBA term, plus a couple more years of negotiating ending again in capitulation... rinse repeat. If we never make a stand, we never make gains, and we will keep eating $hit sandwiches.

09-19-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod

agreed , delta plus 10%, improve every section, give up nothing, and we are dancing.

Last edited by Sailor; 09-19-2015 at 08:33 PM.

09-20-2015, 06:15 AM

#13799

GearOperator

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For current Spirit pilots:

this is probably already somewhere in the forum but going through 1400 pages is a bit of a task.

I am extremely interested in coming to Spirit. I'm currently an FO at a regional with about 2800 hrs of TT and 31 years of age. If I were to send in an application online, what are my chances of possibly getting a call? I think 4000hrs TT is a hard number, but has any one been considered with any thing less? How junior is DTW and what are the chances of holding DTW as a base out of training? How long does a new hire expect to be on reserve? I'm looking for guidance and advice for coming to Spirit. If hired, I'll retire at Spirit.

Thank you, your guidance and advice is much appreciated.

09-20-2015, 06:36 AM

#13800

Qotsaautopilot

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4000tt is a pretty hard number unless you are ex military. DTW is the most junior FO base as of the next bid. Very senior for captains. I can't comment on how long reserve might be because it depends on the base/seat/time of year combination. My guess is less than a year as a FO in any base.