Tranquility

Well, it's a **** car... Can you think of something more fitting??

yoda82

Ummm...that is pretty close to what we have now. Our 3rd year CA rate is basically 3rd year FO at a legacy. .. minus Profit sharing, retirement, disability, etc. It better be WAY better than that. Our lower end of the pay scale lacks, on average, by 60-65% from our peers on the same equipment. That is just the truth.

Qotsaautopilot

I've never read anything union or company related to my wife ever. I read this email to her without saying anything first. She said "I've never heard more bull**** on top of bull**** in my life. Sounds like they have been getting a lot of calls and emails and want everyone off their back." I was astonished given her unbiased position.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic and withhold judgment until I see it.

gonyon

Yup. This is the biggest point of disparity and if we are seeking a "path to parity" this end of the scale needs the most and immediate attention (read money)

JoeyMeatballs

What does that have to with only getting a small bump & 401k match? Sure it's a lot higher than our current contract but its not much better than what they have now.

Qotsaautopilot

They (Southwest Pilots) would also be accepting some major Scope concessions. They have industry leading scope that makes our (spirit) contract look like it doesn't even have a scope section. It's section 1 for a reason. SCOPE!

GeauxPro

Oh snap, I'd missed that. You're right that is what we have now. Two thirds of our negotiating team haven't changed from last time and those two didn't show much last time. After all, they negotiated you third year Captains a Major pay rate - for the wrong seat. :roll eyes:
But I hear good things about the DHL guy. His background contains job experience other than just being beat up by a fee for departure carrier. Let's all hope that he can over rule e the shiny jet syndrome the they negotiating team showed last time. Yes, it better be WAY better.

JoeyMeatballs

Jesus, give it a rest guys. Nobody on here has any clue when we can expect a TA or what's in it. Why not just wait it out before crucifying everyone and anyone involved?

GeauxPro

Really? You're ACY right? Between your close proximity to MM and the Negotiating updates you can't say that you have no clue.

Unless you just have no clue!

We have a insider like you in our base also; he speaks to union guys all of the time, brags about speaking to the Rep on a daily basis, always has more inside info than the rest of us, brags about how great the deal will be, and then tells us to wait because "we don't know what's inside the deal". I'm calling BS. You guys know it will not achieve the survey goals and your trying to condition us to accept what ever comes out. AIN'T WORKIN!

Sailor

I share the felling, but I think you are reaching for it, we are probably 20-30 people here, speculating, the union emails are as informative as our Mec chair weekly dr Phil chat, zero info, leaving the zombies hungry for blood, and brains running wild. Non of the NC emails say anything about a deal, they can't give any more info than the company, you know this.
I speculate that they may have a deal and they are just working the last few details, but it's just that, speculation.
At any giving moment, the company asks for say "pbs, transition, 29/7, etc" and the pseudo deal is off, on the other hand we ask for DL plus 8% in a 4 yr deal and the company says, "stay here, I'll be right back" weeks later crickets in the room....
And I agree with Joey, it isn't cool to treat each other like enemies.
Like I said, wait for a TA then gloves off.