Hugedouche

I have to respectfully have to disagree, my wife's company is huge and the are already are looking to cut costs with travel to the extent that they have looked at spirit. If the **** hits the fan those with this lowest casm will prevail, those with the highest, aka legacies will have to reorganize and it will cost the pilots dearly. The simple fact is the airlines have turned into a boom and bust industry. Couple that with the reduced international seats from the top three it could be scary for them

full of luv

I don't know, much more so in the 80's/90's as everybody grew during profits for "market share" only to shrink during the downturns.

If 1/4 of Delta gets furloughed, it will be tough for the whole industry.

What will kill the ULCC's is an oil price spike or sustained price raise because as oil becomes a bigger and bigger part of the casm, then the ULCC CASM get's closer and closer to the legacies as labor becomes more insignificant factor.

Hopefully this discussion is academic.

Patroni

shyguy make everyone drink!!! you cool shyguy!!!! thank you...."you mad bro" is classic!!!

Dr Pepper

Actually high oil is a good thing for Spirit. We have a newer fleet which is much more efficient than many of the legacy airframes, plus we are the most fuel efficient airline in the states. So low oil actually gets the legacies closer to our CASM. Spirit did very well with the high oil prices of the last couple of years all while growing at a huge rate.

NK Bumble Bee

Our CASM EX-FUEL will still be an equal amount lower than others and with more seats on the airplanes it's easier to spread "the luv" without a dramatic change in ticket price. The CASM would rise at a lower rate than our competitors due to the efficient airplanes and the additional seats for a comperable aircraft. Although our load factors are already high in soft oil pricing environment, historically we do even better when the economy sucks and oil is high. Remember the "rise of spirit' as an ulcc came during a really bad time in the US economy. Our RASM is not a direct reflection of profitability, like it is for a legacy, with such a large portion on the income returns from ancillary products. This makes traditional means of comparing RASM/CASM metrics to analyze the impact of changing fuel CASM does not work. Take home message: We'll be just fine regardless of fuel...

You want academic? Take a look at James Carville's response to Frank the Tank in the debate competition, Old School (circa 2003): I have no reply, that was perfect!

ShyGuy

Ha funny. This is APC, not Spirit Pilot central. That means any pilot from any airline can read/write in any thread here about any airline. If that gets certain underwear in a wad, they can go back to their own internal pilot board. Oh wait, wasn't that shut down because some girls couldn't get along? Ever since that shut down all the beotching and negativity came right here. If you have a problem with what others think of you or your company, perhaps you can write to a moderator who cares. "You mad bro" is just a polite way to address a toolbag answer, which is exactly what that was.

Green Giant

High oil prices would be the best gift to Spirit. We can make a profit with this fuel efficient fleet while the others would struggle with all of those gas guzzling B737's and MD-80's.

Seggy

Ahhh, the 737s NGs and Airbuses are pretty much are one in the same in terms of fuel efficiency.

Green Giant

The CFM engine burns 3% more gas on the B737.

Seggy

Is that from Airbus marketing material? I really haven't noticed any big difference.

This article shows from an independent source shows the consumption is actually higher in the Airbus...

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s....html?page=all