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Old 08-05-2015, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
You don't know that. The majority of this pilot group wasn't even here for contract '10. Many of us have had our arses kicked at other carriers and won't stand for any bullsh!t.
That distant learning TA passed with flying colors. To me that was Bullsh!t because the I-Pads were coming one way or another. Once ground school is being done on my time off that will be significant loss of pay because of the training conflicts that I have lost. No special deals just loss of training conflicts that everyone had the opportunity to enjoy.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
That distant learning TA passed with flying colors. To me that was Bullsh!t because the I-Pads were coming one way or another. Once ground school is being done on my time off that will be significant loss of pay because of the training conflicts that I have lost. No special deals just loss of training conflicts that everyone had the opportunity to enjoy.
This! This is why I'm a little pessimistic about any proposed ta vote. When we get a ta that is.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
That distant learning TA passed with flying colors. To me that was Bullsh!t because the I-Pads were coming one way or another. Once ground school is being done on my time off that will be significant loss of pay because of the training conflicts that I have lost. No special deals just loss of training conflicts that everyone had the opportunity to enjoy.
Thanks for reminding me!
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
I don't think anyone is going to vote for PBS, loss of our four days off, loss of transition conflict or any of our other QOL issues unless this contract is world beating. Talking CAs maxing out at $600/hr, W-2s upwards of $400K. Anything less than that, I dont see anyone voting a reduction in our QOL.
I think it's safe to say most of the group and even most captains aren't achieving that and aren't even coming close to it. At the top pay you'd have to average 180hrs of credit per month.
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Old 08-05-2015, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
I'm confident that our Negotiating Committee is going to get the job done, per the results of our surveys.

(If I have to eat those words later, I'll need some bacon and cheese.)
I'm confident the negotiators are gonna get us a TA, I'm not as confident its going to be as stellar as we all want and I'm not confident that our pilot group will turn away a TA that is lackluster.
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Old 08-05-2015, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
I'm confident that our Negotiating Committee is going to get the job done, per the results of our surveys.

(If I have to eat those words later, I'll need some bacon and cheese.)
You won't have to eat your words, because you will never see the survey results.
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
You don't know that. The majority of this pilot group wasn't even here for contract '10. Many of us have had our arses kicked at other carriers and won't stand for any bullsh!t.
Is what gave me hope, but then...

Originally Posted by Green Giant
That distant learning TA passed with flying colors. To me that was Bullsh!t because the I-Pads were coming one way or another. Once ground school is being done on my time off that will be significant loss of pay because of the training conflicts that I have lost. No special deals just loss of training conflicts that everyone had the opportunity to enjoy.
The argument that all these post-strike hires aren't going to give in to "fear tactics" (you'll have to commute to base for recurrent if you don't pass it) no longer passes the smell test.
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:23 PM
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These pesky post strikers. They don't know anything about the dynamics of the industry, what other shops have in their contracts, section 6 bargaining, the standard ford&harrison management labor relations playbook or even flying. They should not be allowed to vote.




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Old 08-05-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
To each their own, amigo! Until we have something in hand, I'm going to stay positive, confident, and support the union and Negotiating Committee.

Onward and upward!
I'm staying positive about the negotiating committee. I don't know how positive I'll be until I see a TA. It's like this, I'll make my prediction for who wins super bowl 50 the day after its played. And I will give support to the NC, those that don't need to be donkeypunched!
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
These pesky post strikers. They don't know anything about the dynamics of the industry, what other shops have in their contracts, section 6 bargaining, the standard ford&harrison management labor relations playbook or even flying. They should not be allowed to vote.




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