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02-01-2010, 08:50 PM
#1231
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Same exact reason why SW pilots did not ask for industry leading wages at the time SW used to be a stepping stone into a legacy job. Because they did not believe they can get it and because you need leverage to ask for that. Leverage in terms of your company being strong with a significant market share, has been making money, has been growing... things that will make you believe as a pilot that you will not destroy your company by asking for too much, and you will not put them into a no growth scenario. That last one is very important because it is not even about upgrade. If you stay small, you will get eaten. Then you get a staple or worse a pref interview. That is why.
As long 80-90% of the pilots are not convinced above the above mentioned items, they will vote in a marginal contract. You need leverage to have the balls to vote NO. That is why you need it the first place. We do not have much leverage for an industry leading contract with our 28 planes, our beaten pilots, and the current recession. However we do have enough to achieve some improvements. May be even industry average. I hope.
As long 80-90% of the pilots are not convinced above the above mentioned items, they will vote in a marginal contract. You need leverage to have the balls to vote NO. That is why you need it the first place. We do not have much leverage for an industry leading contract with our 28 planes, our beaten pilots, and the current recession. However we do have enough to achieve some improvements. May be even industry average. I hope.
02-02-2010, 03:35 AM
#1232
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Position: A320 CA
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I'm sorry, but this negotiation should have nothing to do with what the company is earning or can earn in spite of what they are paying us. This has everything to do with the value of our time and talents, the compensation that our particular skill set deserves, and what our competitors pay for comparable services. I guess it all comes down to your valuation of self-worth. Don't we perform the same duties, arguably even more, than our peers at other U.S. carriers? I feel I'm worth much more than the compensation I'm currently receiving, and I am not worried in the least about "destroying" a company that can not or is not willing to compensate me accordingly. If the company can not survive and thrive whilst paying us industry standard wages, than the company should not be in existence in the first place.
02-02-2010, 05:08 AM
#1233
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I'm sorry, but this negotiation should have nothing to do with what the company is earning or can earn in spite of what they are paying us. This has everything to do with the value of our time and talents, the compensation that our particular skill set deserves, and what our competitors pay for comparable services.
I guess it all comes down to your valuation of self-worth. Don't we perform the same duties, arguably even more, than our peers at other U.S. carriers? I feel I'm worth much more than the compensation I'm currently receiving, and I am not worried in the least about "destroying" a company that can not or is not willing to compensate me accordingly. If the company can not survive and thrive whilst paying us industry standard wages, than the company should not be in existence in the first place.
Yes we perform the same duties. But my post was about why we don't ask for SW rates? So why shall we compare us to the top few percent of all the pilots who are paid top money, while the industry average is well below that?
02-02-2010, 05:17 AM
#1234
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anyways.... btw what I meant to post was that they have put out another 20 FA vacancies for April. I know FAs get fired and they leave but 25 for March and 20 for April is 45 FA positions. I think there will be more FA vacancies for Summer. There is no way we have lost 45 FAs in 3 months. So this is not attrition. Most of it is not. I think it is obvious now that they are not calling pilots because of intimidation and keeping morale down.
I like that picketing is starting again because I don't see recalls until this negotiations is over. Can furloughed guys join the walk? I sure have time. I guess since I can't be in a uniform I bet TSA would not want me to dress as a 121 pilot on a federal airport, I think I will show up pale, 10 lbs lighter (in my dreams
), with an IV in my arm, and a "Help! Furloughed Spirit pilot starving!" sign and a coin cup. You guys can roll me around in a wheelchair. Deal?
I like that picketing is starting again because I don't see recalls until this negotiations is over. Can furloughed guys join the walk? I sure have time. I guess since I can't be in a uniform I bet TSA would not want me to dress as a 121 pilot on a federal airport, I think I will show up pale, 10 lbs lighter (in my dreams
), with an IV in my arm, and a "Help! Furloughed Spirit pilot starving!" sign and a coin cup. You guys can roll me around in a wheelchair. Deal?
02-02-2010, 08:37 AM
#1236
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anyways.... btw what I meant to post was that they have put out another 20 FA vacancies for April. I know FAs get fired and they leave but 25 for March and 20 for April is 45 FA positions. I think there will be more FA vacancies for Summer. There is no way we have lost 45 FAs in 3 months. So this is not attrition. Most of it is not. I think it is obvious now that they are not calling pilots because of intimidation and keeping morale down.
I like that picketing is starting again because I don't see recalls until this negotiations is over. Can furloughed guys join the walk? I sure have time. I guess since I can't be in a uniform I bet TSA would not want me to dress as a 121 pilot on a federal airport, I think I will show up pale, 10 lbs lighter (in my dreams), with an IV in my arm, and a "Help! Furloughed Spirit pilot starving!" sign and a coin cup. You guys can roll me around in a wheelchair. Deal?
I like that picketing is starting again because I don't see recalls until this negotiations is over. Can furloughed guys join the walk? I sure have time. I guess since I can't be in a uniform I bet TSA would not want me to dress as a 121 pilot on a federal airport, I think I will show up pale, 10 lbs lighter (in my dreams
), with an IV in my arm, and a "Help! Furloughed Spirit pilot starving!" sign and a coin cup. You guys can roll me around in a wheelchair. Deal?
02-02-2010, 08:59 AM
#1237
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? I hope they have some sense of humor. They sure had it when they hired me coming in talking about growth and upgrade. Now I see they were joking LOL... man this place is something... real jokers these guys. Spirit TV is funny... until you realize it is about your life 
Alright. I am getting off topic here.
02-02-2010, 03:02 PM
#1238
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I don't think it would make YOU a target, your idea is valid and catchy, as a matter of fact, it would be fantastic to get as many furloughed Bros and Sis as we can, telling everyone about the current situation.
It is important to check with our ALPA reps, to see if possible, after all we lost our jobs, while the CO still makes money Qtr after Qtr, and we are not talking about breaking even.
It is important to check with our ALPA reps, to see if possible, after all we lost our jobs, while the CO still makes money Qtr after Qtr, and we are not talking about breaking even.
02-02-2010, 03:24 PM
#1239
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I don't think it would make YOU a target, your idea is valid and catchy, as a matter of fact, it would be fantastic to get as many furloughed Bros and Sis as we can, telling everyone about the current situation.
It is important to check with our ALPA reps, to see if possible, after all we lost our jobs, while the CO still makes money Qtr after Qtr, and we are not talking about breaking even.
It is important to check with our ALPA reps, to see if possible, after all we lost our jobs, while the CO still makes money Qtr after Qtr, and we are not talking about breaking even.
02-02-2010, 08:02 PM
#1240
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I like that picketing is starting again because I don't see recalls until this negotiations is over. Can furloughed guys join the walk? I sure have time. I guess since I can't be in a uniform I bet TSA would not want me to dress as a 121 pilot on a federal airport, I think I will show up pale, 10 lbs lighter (in my dreams
), with an IV in my arm, and a "Help! Furloughed Spirit pilot starving!" sign and a coin cup. You guys can roll me around in a wheelchair. Deal?Get your Maxwell Smart on and come on out.
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