BoredwLife

I think it is time for everyone out there just to be safe. Thats all you guys still on the line can do.

BE SAFE.

johnso29

Got to love the RLA. It's just so fair, isn't it?

Left Handed

Did anyone notice that at DOS+2 and DOS+3 the wages are the same? That means no raise for 2 years in the middle of the contract.

For the life of me, can't figure out why the mediators haven't pulled the plug already.

Sailor

Because, is all about the steps. I is a grueling sequence of events. It sucks for them at the table and us in waiting..

Kubota

I see no reason why NK pilots should not ask for what Southwest pilots get plus 1%? Same size equipment and last time I checked Southwest doesn't go to all those Central and South America place in the middle of night with min fuel, multiple MEL's, and so on.

Strength & Unity

Good luck guys!

Sailor

It's all about good Mgmt and ethics!!, both of witch we lack

And a bit of our fault, for doing the job under these conditions, INDUSTRY WISE!!

A320Flyer

Exactly... no raise exactly when all economists agree higher inflation and interest rates will kick in. Pathetic...

Just as BoredwLife says... FLY SAFE!!!!!!

Normann

Same exact reason why SW pilots did not ask for industry leading wages at the time SW used to be a stepping stone into a legacy job. Because they did not believe they can get it and because you need leverage to ask for that. Leverage in terms of your company being strong with a significant market share, has been making money, has been growing... things that will make you believe as a pilot that you will not destroy your company by asking for too much, and you will not put them into a no growth scenario. That last one is very important because it is not even about upgrade. If you stay small, you will get eaten. Then you get a staple or worse a pref interview. That is why.

As long 80-90% of the pilots are not convinced above the above mentioned items, they will vote in a marginal contract. You need leverage to have the balls to vote NO. That is why you need it the first place. We do not have much leverage for an industry leading contract with our 28 planes, our beaten pilots, and the current recession. However we do have enough to achieve some improvements. May be even industry average. I hope.

Shrek

Try not to actually think of it as "Spirit" Airlines but as INDIGO. Is Spirit a large and growing airline in aviation? - Not at the moment. BUT, if you see that, as a part of Indigo, you are a part of huge group of airlines then THAT is where you negotiate from. They are keeping you small for a reason.....lessen expectations.

Indigo would rather have a BILLION one dollar stocks than have one MILLION dollar stock.

Hang tough and don't cut your own legs out from under you before there is even an option of self-help yet.

Normann

I am not cutting my legs. I am just telling you why we can't ask for what SW has. To gain a contract like that you need a company that has been showing success for a long time.

However one thing needs to be added. As long the place is small, has no assets, has a small and fragile market share, and is private, their cost of walking away from it, as investors, and starting over in a new entity is also smaller. That has nothing to do with pilot mentality but directly affects leverage and what we can ask for.

EDIT: And we are not bargaining with INDIGO. There is no way for ALPA to prevent INDIGO from establishing another ULCC in FLL tomorrow. Our scope will only go as far as what Spirit can/cannot do. The contract is never going to be between the shareholder as an individual and the pilot group. However once a company is public, and has size like SW or even JB, even if Indigo holds the majority stake, they can't just open a new airline at the expense of letting Spirit sink.