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06-14-2015, 12:51 PM
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To answer that question you have to know what pilot labor cost is as a percentage of the overall cost of running the airline. Once you to that and decide how much pilot cost would go up in a new contract (FYI the bottom 800 pilots air underpaid by close to 60% and that's just in rates not counting the massive underpayment in retirement) can you see how much your total airline operating costs goes up and take that right off the operating margins assuming no new or increased revenue streams.
Example:
Pilot labor is $10 of overall operating costs of $100 to run the airline or 10%. Let's say the new contract costs the company 60% more for pilot labor. Now pilot labor costs $16 of $106 to run the airline or 15%. Assuming no new revenue that 5% overall increased cost will come right out of the margin. So a 20% margin will go to 15% or a 25% reduction in profits.
The numbers for pilot cost as a function of the overall operation are completely made up and I don't know what they actually are but that is an illustration of how the problem would be solved. The other big assumption there is is that with an increased cost the company doesn't increase revenue (slightly higher fares or more optional goods and services) to counter act the increased cost therefore keeping their profits intact.
Example:
Pilot labor is $10 of overall operating costs of $100 to run the airline or 10%. Let's say the new contract costs the company 60% more for pilot labor. Now pilot labor costs $16 of $106 to run the airline or 15%. Assuming no new revenue that 5% overall increased cost will come right out of the margin. So a 20% margin will go to 15% or a 25% reduction in profits.
The numbers for pilot cost as a function of the overall operation are completely made up and I don't know what they actually are but that is an illustration of how the problem would be solved. The other big assumption there is is that with an increased cost the company doesn't increase revenue (slightly higher fares or more optional goods and services) to counter act the increased cost therefore keeping their profits intact.
06-14-2015, 02:31 PM
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Typical union dribble, I got no deals, just bid smart, used the contract for conflicts, made big money only 1 month out of the year. I guess if I could get special deals I would have done it every month, not just PC. If you cannot interpret the contract to make serious cash in your PC month, then nothing I say would make sense to you.
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06-14-2015, 03:58 PM
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Who was responsible for the iPad LOA? The recently canned MEC Officers or the negotiators?
Since they worked together, why not can the negotiators as well?
Since they worked together, why not can the negotiators as well?
06-14-2015, 04:37 PM
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OMFG....get over it already. The LOA was not a clear cut concession to everybody. I'm a no voter too, but even I realize that. The soft time was going to take a hit regardless.
06-14-2015, 04:47 PM
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06-14-2015, 08:33 PM
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Typical union dribble, I got no deals, just bid smart, used the contract for conflicts, made big money only 1 month out of the year. I guess if I could get special deals I would have done it every month, not just PC. If you cannot interpret the contract to make serious cash in your PC month, then nothing I say would make sense to you.
Cole Brantley (sign your name too)
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Quote from: justthetip on June 20, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
“As we tell the MEC over and over, it will not end. If they just would have kept the 150% in place we would not be making back door deals.”
To put that in context, “Tip” was responding to this quote:
Quote from: IAJET_CAPT on June 20, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
“Im flying a trip now for 200 that never went to open time. If I would have excepted all my 200 offers this mth which I could have done legal accord to FAR not the CBA I would be up to 250hrs of pay. Get it while its hot. Joes letter was a pile of bull****. I was told by sched they are authorized by management to pay 200 even if that pilot is at the contractual limits. There is only a couple of trips in opentime at anyone time for the FO's also.
I’m guessing that was probably a conversation with himself…but over there, as it is here…it’s sometimes hard to tell.
So I apologize for invoking the outrage of you and your block credit endowed friends…but when you start spouting off about how smart and ethical you are in attaining your 78 hour average over guarantee every training month…pardon us if we’re just a little bit skeptical of your sincerity.
Here’s a tip for you…saved copies of old boards can be a biotch. Especially when we watched with amazement as you and your buddies subverted the contract at the expense of your fellow pilots.
Would you like some of your old quotes about the wonders of daily special deals to follow you as you scamper to the moral high ground as well, A320Flyer?
Save your sanctimony and remarks about your superior bidding intellect for your fans (i.e. your other 5 screen names). We've heard enough.
Get Real
06-14-2015, 08:36 PM
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GetReal, I bet your a peach to fly with.
06-14-2015, 08:43 PM
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Green Giant...I apologize to you...my remarks are not intended for those who legitimately follow the contract and are able to benefit from it. I say get it while you can. These other fellas...they have history...and apparently they thought no one remembered.
06-14-2015, 10:19 PM
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Hey bro, did you save any of the new hire info section? There was some useful stuff in there. I doubt it. Looks to me like you just saved stuff from people you disagree with to try and out on a more public forum. Sad. I've not been here as long as you guys but to argue that the way training was set up in the past did not allow far greater credit gains (within the confines of the CBA) than the LOA method will is just plain stupid.
06-15-2015, 06:10 AM
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Why is GetReal blaming Audi2000 for posts made by justthetip?
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