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Old 06-04-2015, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
So Delta has a TA and we're still doing surveys...
Actually, that's good news. I was hoping they'd have a TA before us. It only helps by making our wages look even more pathetic than they already are.
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Old 06-04-2015, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonLeonard
2% is words being twisted from a recurrent class. This IS pretty entertaining though. There are no deals being offered like that. Call or email or text your rep.

No deal will see the light of day if it doesn't provide a path the parity. We shall see whether they are serious or not this month.

Hopefully we can bridge the gap. And if we can, your input in the surveys will help us understand where you will honestly be happy.

MGMT: The clock is ticking.

Guys I'm not going to be checking on here much. Sorry. Call/text/email/chase me to my car in the parking lot/stop me in the jetbridge/or call your rep.
Let's be clear: a path to parity is not acceptable. Parity from DOS only. We shouldn't be waiting through years of meager increases to get what we should get day one. Meanwhile the standard will be changing all around us. Word is delta already has a TA, JetBlue is negotiating, Virgin is now Alpa and will be negotiating, united opens next year, southwest is negotiating now. We can not wait til the last step of a new contract to get what is out there today. AA rates or better because everyone is building on that. Get a clue.
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Old 06-04-2015, 02:11 PM
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I was just going to say the same thing. A path to parity is BS. Parity right from the beginning is the only acceptable way. If we have a path to parity by the time we get it all the other airlines will be leaps and bounds ahead of us again. This path to parity talk scares me.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:04 PM
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How are the ZED agreements at NK? Good variety of international airlines?
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonLeonard
2% is words being twisted from a recurrent class. This IS pretty entertaining though. There are no deals being offered like that. Call or email or text your rep.

No deal will see the light of day if it doesn't provide a path the parity. We shall see whether they are serious or not this month.

Hopefully we can bridge the gap. And if we can, your input in the surveys will help us understand where you will honestly be happy.

MGMT: The clock is ticking.

Guys I'm not going to be checking on here much. Sorry. Call/text/email/chase me to my car in the parking lot/stop me in the jetbridge/or call your rep.
I don't know who heard 2%, but I know for certain he said 4% twice with me present. Once in recurrent and once in my cockpit.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
How are the ZED agreements at NK? Good variety of international airlines?
Ok but not great. New airlines being added that I have to Google because I have never heard of. Not anything in Asia I am aware of.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Can't dislike someone that's never done anything to hurt me personally. That could change very quickly come this fall. And if I disliked everyone for people they've screwed over in the past, it would compromise my zen-like being. Doesn't mean I trust him at all when it comes to giving is what we deserve. Irellevant anyway. Negotiations are all business and not about likes or dislikes
Except that he is trying to harm you and me financially. Lots of people here are not really listening and comprehending what he is spinning. He talks about inefficiencies and tries to pawn it off on the CBA, when most stem from incompetence, poor planning, and a small fleet. He plants seeds about "no Brinks' trucks" so that your expectations are limited. I would gladly drink a beer with him, as long as he is buying, but I'll do so wearing my rubber boots so as not to step in the bs he is shoveling.
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Old 06-05-2015, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by So Wonwee
Except that he is trying to harm you and me financially. Lots of people here are not really listening and comprehending what he is spinning. He talks about inefficiencies and tries to pawn it off on the CBA, when most stem from incompetence, poor planning, and a small fleet. He plants seeds about "no Brinks' trucks" so that your expectations are limited. I would gladly drink a beer with him, as long as he is buying, but I'll do so wearing my rubber boots so as not to step in the bs he is shoveling.
So true! Cause it's our CBA's fault they build unproductive 18 hour 4 days!!!! I love flying one leg to OAK to sit for 22 hours, I have nothing better to do!
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Old 06-05-2015, 03:04 AM
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He can say whatever he wants. 2%, 4%, or even 6% is a flat out insult. Not only is there no way in hell but if the union puts something like that in front of us it is time for the negotiating committee to go. For me to achieve parity with my peers I need something on the order of 40 to 45 % plus increases in retirement etc....
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:01 AM
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Pay and retirement parity on DOS, no path! I vote NO to anything less, plus I need a new lanyard.
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