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05-30-2015, 07:59 AM
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I do believe people are using automated apps to snag open time. It's happening in both seats. FOs it's the same guys getting everything. Then after they decide they don't like it it magically reappears in open time two minutes later. They take the risk that if the day isn't green they can't drop back in but I'd almost be sure if something hits open time and they are legal and it's a turn or a two day their app pics it up automatically. They then analyze it and keep it or dump it back in.
This was confirmed to have happened at JetBlue with flica. It happened at Expressjet with an in house software package. It's naive to think it's not happening here. The key is getting proof and stopping it to level the field in first come first serve.
This was confirmed to have happened at JetBlue with flica. It happened at Expressjet with an in house software package. It's naive to think it's not happening here. The key is getting proof and stopping it to level the field in first come first serve.
05-30-2015, 08:04 AM
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I do believe people are using automated apps to snag open time. It's happening in both seats. FOs it's the same guys getting everything. Then after they decide they don't like it it magically reappears in open time two minutes later. They take the risk that if the day isn't green they can't drop back in but I'd almost be sure if something hits open time and they are legal and it's a turn or a two day their app pics it up automatically. They then analyze it and keep it or dump it back in.
05-30-2015, 08:16 AM
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I do believe people are using automated apps to snag open time. It's happening in both seats. FOs it's the same guys getting everything. Then after they decide they don't like it it magically reappears in open time two minutes later. They take the risk that if the day isn't green they can't drop back in but I'd almost be sure if something hits open time and they are legal and it's a turn or a two day their app pics it up automatically. They then analyze it and keep it or dump it back in.
This was confirmed to have happened at JetBlue with flica. It happened at Expressjet with an in house software package. It's naive to think it's not happening here. The key is getting proof and stopping it to level the field in first come first serve.
This was confirmed to have happened at JetBlue with flica. It happened at Expressjet with an in house software package. It's naive to think it's not happening here. The key is getting proof and stopping it to level the field in first come first serve.
05-30-2015, 08:17 AM
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It's third party or personally developed software. Outside my tech expertise. It was proven at the airlines I mentioned so it exists. Alerts can be delayed (due to your internet connection) but I have been in flica when a trip appeared and when I put in for it almost instantly it was awarded to the same guy that gets everything the second daily open time opens. I find it hard to believe that guy just stares at flica 24 hrs a day waiting for open time to hit.
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05-30-2015, 08:35 AM
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It's third party or personally developed software. Outside my tech expertise. It was proven at the airlines I mentioned so it exists. Alerts can be delayed but I have been in flica when a trip appeared and when I put in for it almost instantly it was awarded to the same guy that gets everything the second daily open time opens. I find it hard to believe that guy just stares at flica 24 hrs a day waiting for open time to hit.
05-30-2015, 08:36 AM
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My .02 on Open Time. There's a group of 109 captains who want to limit out of base open time pickups with a time delay gate or prohibition altogether, fine, let's set up a gate that prevents them from picking up OoB OT for that specified amount of time (or limit them to no OoB pickups)...
For everyone else who prefers an immediate first come first served concept, let's keep it that way...everyone gets exactly what they want...
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For everyone else who prefers an immediate first come first served concept, let's keep it that way...everyone gets exactly what they want...
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05-30-2015, 08:39 AM
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Problem is proof. I'm not going to name someone when I don't have proof. I don't know why flica doesn't block this kind of thing. Maybe it's difficult to detect?
05-30-2015, 08:40 AM
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My .02 on Open Time. There's a group of 109 captains who want to limit out of base open time pickups with a time delay gate or prohibition altogether, fine, let's set up a gate that prevents them from picking up OoB OT for that specified amount of time (or limit them to no OoB pickups)...
For everyone else who prefers an immediate first come first served concept, let's keep it that way...everyone gets exactly what they want...
GP
For everyone else who prefers an immediate first come first served concept, let's keep it that way...everyone gets exactly what they want...
GP
05-30-2015, 09:03 AM
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You seriously need some reading comprehension. I haven't accused anyone, in fact I don't believe there is any autobidding going on. I'm saying if there is, and someone has proof then name him. Get who you're talking to straight. If theres thought that someone is using autobidding software, then those who think it's happening have the duty to report it to the scheduling committee with their suspicions. And, if it's proven, the rest of the pilot group should know about it and who it is.
05-30-2015, 09:07 AM
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That's reasonable, but with something like this, if it was proven someone was using autobidding software he or she has to be made known to the rest of the pilot group. Difficult to detect, I'd think not, difficult to stop? Probably not either. There's plenty of human interface portal systems that can be easily integrated into FLICA to filter out auto software or robots. It might be a little bit more of a pain in the a$$ logging in or submitting for things, but would prevent auto software issues.
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