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01-21-2010, 07:46 AM
#1181
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
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Posts: 149
Citrus pilots are also taxiing VVVEERRRYYY slow in ATL. Not all of them, but enough that ATC has been putting them on the south runway more and more and more because of some bottlenecks caused by "flying by the book".
this was echo'd, without solicitation, from a friend that's a senior manager there.
this was echo'd, without solicitation, from a friend that's a senior manager there.
01-21-2010, 09:49 AM
#1182
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 148
Citrus pilots are also taxiing VVVEERRRYYY slow in ATL. Not all of them, but enough that ATC has been putting them on the south runway more and more and more because of some bottlenecks caused by "flying by the book".
this was echo'd, without solicitation, from a friend that's a senior manager there.
this was echo'd, without solicitation, from a friend that's a senior manager there.
ATC: "Citrus ___, how's your ride?"
Citrus: "Smooth on taxiway echo."
01-21-2010, 06:45 PM
#1183
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
So you are obviously already too involved with the SPA Union on other fronts to man or help out the Strike Awareness Committee? Did you bring up your concern at the last SPA meeting in Dania Beach? Did you call FH or DP voicing your concern? Did you ask the Airtran crew for help in getting in contact with their Strike Chairman to seek advice? Wouldn't it make more sense to become part of the solution and better the situation?
Express your concerns and desires for picketing.... I have already done it... Their e-mails are [email protected].
01-22-2010, 09:13 AM
#1184
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 148
Personally, I would love to get more involved with union work; however, I feel guys like me may NOT be welcomed because we may offer a different perspective on things. I'm a conservative and therefore my world view is different than the type of guy unions want in their leadership or on their committees. Where does a guy like me go, that supports union MEMBERS across all industries, but has a hard time with the political initiatives national union LEADERS push on their membership (Presidential endorsements, backing for health care reform legislation, card check, etc.)?
I've noticed that I've become a pretty unhappy person since i've started posting on this board. For that reason, I need to step away from this board (maybe permanently). I am truly thankful for all the nice words of encouragement expressed in private messages from my fellow Spirit pilots.
I will leave you with one last thought: Guys, this is OUR career. Its LONG past time to get INVOLVED and ENGAGED in defending the career. I'm sure the union could use some good volunteers. I'm not the person for it. I've spoken out that we need to do certain things and I'm getting hammered for it. It's your turn. Just imagine if half our pilot group volunteered for union work. That kind of ENGAGEMENT would do more good than a simple strike vote or any resolution our leaders could pass. Somebody just might start taking notice. ACTIONS...not words.
I've noticed that I've become a pretty unhappy person since i've started posting on this board. For that reason, I need to step away from this board (maybe permanently). I am truly thankful for all the nice words of encouragement expressed in private messages from my fellow Spirit pilots.
I will leave you with one last thought: Guys, this is OUR career. Its LONG past time to get INVOLVED and ENGAGED in defending the career. I'm sure the union could use some good volunteers. I'm not the person for it. I've spoken out that we need to do certain things and I'm getting hammered for it. It's your turn. Just imagine if half our pilot group volunteered for union work. That kind of ENGAGEMENT would do more good than a simple strike vote or any resolution our leaders could pass. Somebody just might start taking notice. ACTIONS...not words.
01-22-2010, 10:43 AM
#1185
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
I've noticed that I've become a pretty unhappy person since i've started posting on this board. For that reason, I need to step away from this board (maybe permanently). I am truly thankful for all the nice words of encouragement expressed in private messages from my fellow Spirit pilots.
How's your golf game?
Can't find a girl with big nuff teets?
Them's the real problems in life my friend.
01-22-2010, 09:30 PM
#1186
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Airbus Left
Posts: 130
Point taken. I too welcome you Tine to this web board.
I recognize that my opinion may not be popular with some pilots that have never gone through this process. However, I want us to have the STRONGEST position if we get to an actual strike...that's all.
My opinion is shaped by many years of experience in this business. I have breakfasts on Friday mornings with a couple of airline CEOs, some chief pilots, and VP types as part of my Christian outreach. I've talked with them about what's going on here. They have some interesting things to say. I value their perspective because they see things a little differently than the average line pilot. I think its safe to say that a guy supervising 11,000 pilots or a guy that's in charge of one of the most successful airlines in the world has more credibility than most of us on issues of labor relations.
I've stated my opinion to a couple of guys in our union. One guy agrees, another one dismisses my opinion. I've always felt you have to be in complete, lock step agreement with the union to go to a union meeting at THIS company; hence, I've never felt comfortable going to that kind of a setting to discuss other ways of doing business. But, maybe I should try in the future...i'm open to that.
I recognize that my opinion may not be popular with some pilots that have never gone through this process. However, I want us to have the STRONGEST position if we get to an actual strike...that's all.
My opinion is shaped by many years of experience in this business. I have breakfasts on Friday mornings with a couple of airline CEOs, some chief pilots, and VP types as part of my Christian outreach. I've talked with them about what's going on here. They have some interesting things to say. I value their perspective because they see things a little differently than the average line pilot. I think its safe to say that a guy supervising 11,000 pilots or a guy that's in charge of one of the most successful airlines in the world has more credibility than most of us on issues of labor relations.
I've stated my opinion to a couple of guys in our union. One guy agrees, another one dismisses my opinion. I've always felt you have to be in complete, lock step agreement with the union to go to a union meeting at THIS company; hence, I've never felt comfortable going to that kind of a setting to discuss other ways of doing business. But, maybe I should try in the future...i'm open to that.
That being said, I respect all and agree on a lot of the points in your posts. And I hope you don't stop posting, since having the debate with various points of view is invaluable.
01-22-2010, 09:32 PM
#1187
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Airbus Left
Posts: 130
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Last edited by Balder; 01-22-2010 at 09:35 PM. Reason: double post
01-23-2010, 04:43 PM
#1188
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Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
This is my take: Things seem quiet, but behind the scenes ALPA negotiators are attempting to achieve max gain for the pilot group. They cannot publicly reveal details, for obvious strategic reasons. For those wanting action, be aware that no picketing or awareness events have been scheduled because there has been notable progress within the past couple of mediation meetings. Air Tran, as some has compared us to, is in a completely different negotiating phase. I've personally talked to several of their pilots about this. In addition, ALPA National does not recommend picketing at this point of time. We DO have their support. A good contract for us would signal a positive gain for ALPA as a whole. We ARE the worst paid "big airplane" pilots around. They are closely monitoring our progress. Obviously, the 3 most important sections of the contract, pay included, have not been yet TA'ed. ALPA has made their proposal, and they are waiting for a descent counter-offer. This takes some time. Spirit management has to crunch numbers, Indigo has to approve, bla bla bla. It would not be smart to stir things up right now, especially in "good mediation", until talks have broken down (if it does happen). Let's give the negotiating team a chance to finalize a deal and put a final TA up for vote. That is when WE, the group steps in. My and your vote will determine our fate.
ALPO Whisperer, don't get too stirred up about union stuff... We all understand our careers are at stake, but is it really worth being unhappy and loosing sleep? Just find the nearest descent Gentleman's club, pop open a Bud and chill brother...
A320
ALPO Whisperer, don't get too stirred up about union stuff... We all understand our careers are at stake, but is it really worth being unhappy and loosing sleep? Just find the nearest descent Gentleman's club, pop open a Bud and chill brother...
A320
01-24-2010, 11:30 AM
#1189
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
Couldn't agree more
01-24-2010, 06:37 PM
#1190
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Airbus Left
Posts: 130
This is my take: Things seem quiet, but behind the scenes ALPA negotiators are attempting to achieve max gain for the pilot group. They cannot publicly reveal details, for obvious strategic reasons. For those wanting action, be aware that no picketing or awareness events have been scheduled because there has been notable progress within the past couple of mediation meetings. Air Tran, as some has compared us to, is in a completely different negotiating phase. I've personally talked to several of their pilots about this. In addition, ALPA National does not recommend picketing at this point of time. We DO have their support. A good contract for us would signal a positive gain for ALPA as a whole. We ARE the worst paid "big airplane" pilots around. They are closely monitoring our progress. Obviously, the 3 most important sections of the contract, pay included, have not been yet TA'ed. ALPA has made their proposal, and they are waiting for a descent counter-offer. This takes some time. Spirit management has to crunch numbers, Indigo has to approve, bla bla bla. It would not be smart to stir things up right now, especially in "good mediation", until talks have broken down (if it does happen). Let's give the negotiating team a chance to finalize a deal and put a final TA up for vote. That is when WE, the group steps in. My and your vote will determine our fate.
ALPO Whisperer, don't get too stirred up about union stuff... We all understand our careers are at stake, but is it really worth being unhappy and loosing sleep? Just find the nearest descent Gentleman's club, pop open a Bud and chill brother...
A320
ALPO Whisperer, don't get too stirred up about union stuff... We all understand our careers are at stake, but is it really worth being unhappy and loosing sleep? Just find the nearest descent Gentleman's club, pop open a Bud and chill brother...
A320
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