Spirit of NKS
04-16-2015, 07:49 PM
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I agree that if the officers cannot do as they are told by the MEC then they are forgetting who is actually in charge and need to be replaced immediately. The NC works for the MEC so as long as they can do as told then there is no reason to replace them. I want the best contract this pilot group has ever seen (sadly that's not much of a goal) too, but a long drawn out negotiation does nothing but take money out of our pockets. If that happens then I'm doing my best to get out of this dumpster fire and go somewhere that pays pilots well.
Amen. I hope we don't dick this negotiation up with militant ra ra rhetorical bull sht.
Half if not more of the FO's will bounce
04-16-2015, 08:13 PM
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It's not about his experience for me, although I think the Spirit group has been around long enough, and seen enough, that a study of our history should be part of new entrance. For example, we went through a rough time when a single carrier group of pilots ruled us lead by a very charismatic rep. Croneyism was a problem then, as were dissenting opinions, and phrases like "nothing is going to stand in my way" meant trouble. It's the behavior that gives pause, not JA's experience, because it reminds some of us of some dark days. The fact that the majority of this group comes from a single carrier...
Having said that, it's incumbent on newcomers to work within our union and be effective, not try to remake our union in the image of a former carrier.
Again, at their very first MEC meeting it was incumbent on them to sit across the table from the MEC and achieve consensus or give fair warning that the end is near.
Arguments and threats should have been won or lost on the strength of their convictions. If C and P failed to comply then they could have easily been recalled at MEC meeting number 2.
Sometimes you just can't replace sitting across the table from folks getting your crazy out in the open.
Lastly, no matter his experience, it is never a good idea from a human nature standpoint, or one of accountability, to be cut off from the herd. The entire MEC should have attended him, introducing him to Bendo, presenting a unified front even if things were rocky among the 6 of them.
04-17-2015, 03:07 AM
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Was there anyone who ran against Amongero at his last election? Why not use him?
04-17-2015, 03:17 AM
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Yea, that tops it all. In reference to harassment in the work place: Don't forget ALPA protocol only required it goes to Pro-standards first. If they don't resolve it there is no reason not to see a resolution from management.
04-17-2015, 06:23 AM
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04-17-2015, 06:35 AM
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If there was a mole in the MEC, how is a confidentiality agreement going to stop it? An agreement between the union and the company does not stop a union officer from talking to the company (especially surreptitiously). It stops a union officer from talking to the pilot group or other outside parties that are not a need-to-know concern. Conversely, a confidentiality agreement limiting what a union officer can say to the pilot group is, first, redundant, and second useless. It does not stop him from speaking SECRETLY. Finally, a confidentiality agreement limiting what MEC officers can speak to the company is, once again, useless if it is happening surreptitiously.
04-17-2015, 01:10 PM
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Official word is that there will be no change to the negotiating committee and/or the direction they are headed in.
There are some other tidbits your p2p reps have. Please engage with them. If they don't have an answer they can get one for you.
Or if you hate talking to people just email: [email protected]
help us put a extensive FAQ together for everyone by submitting your questions.
There are some other tidbits your p2p reps have. Please engage with them. If they don't have an answer they can get one for you.
Or if you hate talking to people just email: [email protected]
help us put a extensive FAQ together for everyone by submitting your questions.
04-17-2015, 04:10 PM
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Official word is that there will be no change to the negotiating committee and/or the direction they are headed in.
There are some other tidbits your p2p reps have. Please engage with them. If they don't have an answer they can get one for you.
Or if you hate talking to people just email: [email protected]
help us put a extensive FAQ together for everyone by submitting your questions.
There are some other tidbits your p2p reps have. Please engage with them. If they don't have an answer they can get one for you.
Or if you hate talking to people just email: [email protected]
help us put a extensive FAQ together for everyone by submitting your questions.
Contrary to what certain members of the Spirit union cabal want us to believe - this group of negotiators IS replaceable.
If you like your 18 hr four days, keep these negotiators.
If you like to fly a red eye turn on day three of a 6:00AM start four day, keep this team.
If you like flying for straight time, blame their masters.
If you want to move past the era of "we know what's best for you" finish the job and replace this team, and everyone associated with them.
The same people have been running the union for 16 years, it's time for a complete change.
04-17-2015, 05:24 PM
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Well that's too bad. Fort Lauderdale still has an outstanding resolution on the table to remove the entire committee of negotiators.
Contrary to what certain members of the Spirit union cabal want us to believe - this group of negotiators IS replaceable.
If you like your 18 hr four days, keep these negotiators.
If you like to fly a red eye turn on day three of a 6:00AM start four day, keep this team.
If you like flying for straight time, blame their masters.
If you want to move past the era of "we know what's best for you" finish the job and replace this team, and everyone associated with them.
The same people have been running the union for 16 years, it's time for a complete change.
Contrary to what certain members of the Spirit union cabal want us to believe - this group of negotiators IS replaceable.
If you like your 18 hr four days, keep these negotiators.
If you like to fly a red eye turn on day three of a 6:00AM start four day, keep this team.
If you like flying for straight time, blame their masters.
If you want to move past the era of "we know what's best for you" finish the job and replace this team, and everyone associated with them.
The same people have been running the union for 16 years, it's time for a complete change.
04-17-2015, 05:36 PM
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Good video put out by the new chairmen. We've gotten more communications from these guys in the last 3 day, then we did from the old regime in the last 3 years.
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