Plane Ramrod

You're better off banging your head against a brick wall. I've been trying to drive the point home that the MEC chair/vice chair are only administrative positions for years on here, yet people still think the chair sets policy.

As a side note, is JA resigning as status rep, or doing both jobs? If he is trying to do both, that will nullify some of the strategy behind the MEC structure. The vice/chair positions are supposed to be the buffer between the decision makers (status reps) and management.

ShopVac

I'm sure the position as MEC Chair is temporary. To hold it would only handicap his roll as the message deliverer to the company.

Good ridden to Sean Creed but that was sure a childish move quitting like that.

There sure is a lot of cancer that needs to be cut out but it will take time. I sure am not in a rush to sign a contract this summer. I predict Matias will be the first comittee Chair to see his world crumbling, lose his mind and resign. That too is best for us all.

ShopVac

I have learned that John Prosac and John Patrick are using ALPA assets to protest the recall of the MEC officers. They are no friend of this pilot group and must clearly be terminated immediately.

I can't imagine the nerve using the P2P email system to do combat with your own MEC.

JasonLeonard

Here I am. Ready to defend my actions.

Here we go. And by the way, reply and I'll do my best to answer your questions and concerns.

I'm sipping on coffee so forgive me if I miss huge sections of details lol just point out individually and I'll answer them. I just read from 10 pages ago.

This was a difficult thing to do. I'd say it easily takes the cake for the ugliest thing I've ever been involved in. I did it because it was the only way the majority of pilots would be fairly represented. I am not here to smear these guys. Just explicitly express that there was no doubt that the understanding and/or execution of the power structure of ALPA was upside down. That said, they did the very best they cpuld and every single pilot should shake their hands and look them in the eyes and thank them for their efforts. I don't care who you are, everyone appreciates what was accomplished with Red/Green III.

Other reps are shy to make a stance about whether this will hurt us or not. At this point we have been seeing positive action from the company to our new Chairman. Already a positive greeting has taken place between James and Bendo then Jyri and Rich. James assured them that its business as usual, no major changes are coming in how the union is run in the face of the company, and the contract will be enforced as well as it was up until now. I appreciate Bendo reaching out like he did.

We can talk old guard, new guard party line bla bla bla until we are blue in the face. This was not a political move in any way. This was what needed to be done to get sincere representation of my pilots. Not just my pilots who were in the circles of trust. I never gained the trust circle (as you could imagine) and therefore was never included in proper updates of the status, decision making, or any of the roles an elected status rep has. This was NOT hurt feelings. This was absolutely not how ALPA is run in an open and transparent way.

The time to bury the hatchet of old guard new guard party line BS is past. Bury the dang hatchet. I'm not here to ruin anyone's image. I'm just trying my very best to serve my pilots and be in compliance with their trust.

Speaking of trust. Yes. I recorded calls. The major component of that is I had the app only recording my microphone. Why would I do any of this and why would I revord myself talking to my pilots? Its simple. I would repeat back to the caller what they wanted to see or what actions they wanted or whatever the situation was at the time. Then when the call was over I would have a recording of what I repeated back to them and could write it down later. A lot of calls take place while I'm driving and this was what gave me the idea to do this - WITH THE INTENTION OF HELPING YOU. I recorded my side only, no names were on the recording. The app is called ACR. Feel free to download it and look through it. Its what I used and as far as I understand its legal to record my side of a call at any time, anywhere. Crap if that's illegal, and I'm trying to find out now, then I have to stop. So I disabled the app until I can determine if I can record my microphone. If that doesn't explain it then I don't know what to tell you. Why would I want calls instead of here? Because giving the message to the company on a silver platter wasn't exactly what I had in mind.

Back to my actions at the MEC and in regards to asking the pilot group before taking action. You may or may not have elected us to act on your behalf. If you voted for me I know for a fact if you saw what every rep was dealing with you would support my actions. I don't report back to those who support me and say "well, I'm sorry, but they just won't do what we told them." We voted unanimously for the Chairman to take action on something. He chose to disregard a 6-0 vote by the status reps and do what he felt was right. I respect that and he actually does have that authority. However he is responsible for his actions if we do not approve of them. And that was what did it for me.

NJGov

Please show me with how exactly you sampled the opinion/preference of the ENTIRE 109 FO population to determine the veracity of this statement.

Your view of how this played out is tranparency? No. Its hypocrisy.


Again, your feelings and preferences are one voice of hundreds in your council. You have every right to 'feel' the way you did. But your emotions imposed a decision upon me that many did not and will not agree with.

Shame on you and the other reps for acting in such a way. You were elected to represent your constituents. You are acting just like our Congressional men and women in DC; serving the minority and/or your own selfish motivations. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you followed suit.

I expected better from you when you and TC were elected.

Hypocrisy.


Fraternally, [and though not deserved]

Respectfully,

Stoutbrewer

[QUOTE=ShopVac;1863024]I have learned that John Prosac and John Patrick are using ALPA assets to protest the recall of the MEC officers. They are no friend of this pilot group and must clearly be terminated immediately.

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Sweet Jesus, you'd make a good death camp commandant. Those guys are strong friends of this union and volunteers. If you're going to be unhappy around dissenting opinions you had better stay off the interwebs for a few weeks or months.

mlucksto

Speaking of the P2P committee, a new email was set up for pilots to send in any questions they have and want answered.

[email protected]

Stoutbrewer

No major changes, boss, just wanted to whack some guys in the dark at the very first MEC meeting of their new terms. We'll get back to you on the negotiating committee- turns out we may have made some strong promises to our minority group of vocal gravy-chokers.

Of course he reached out. He needs to make contact with the new leadership, and he's not a dummy so he's going to make him feel like a big man, like he's special. See if he can use his easy going manner and some flattery to help him get what he needs and the rest of you just sent in a brand new guy to talk to management. ALL BY HIMSELF.

Remember this- when you talk about old guard or new guard you're talking about a group of people who ALL have been here longer than you have. You don't have a historical perspective of this joint, and put all of these personalities back in conflict with one another under the guise of unity. There is the very real chance that whomever ends up in charge when the dust settles will be unable to lead any of us. So, thanks for that.

Balder

On the one hand we have some people who have supported and helped this pilot group for years. On the other hand we have some people who anonymously put volunteers names on a public forum, and berate and mischaracterize them.
Shopvac, you are doing no one or yourself any favors by writing this kind of garbage. It only reflects negatively back on yourself.

Plane Ramrod

Just curious...
Where is the old guard / new guard line? I think it probably changed since my contemporaries were 'new guard.'