Spirit of NKS
03-14-2015, 03:45 PM
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Has anyone wasted any of their time to read the SPA 109 proposed resolution? It has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
"As such open time in that base should be seen as a benefit of that seniority, as should be the ability to pick up open time by the seniority awarded pilots of that base."
Your are proposing that open time no longer goes by first come first serve. You are definitely targeting junior pilots picking up open time. It is not bad enough that we make 38.50 an hour first year. Good luck picking up work now!
"Lack of restrictive language in our current CBA has allowed commuting pilots to drop their entire schedules in their awarded base and pick up FLL based trips to essentially rebuild their entire schedule out of FLL thus circumventing the seniority system."
Last I checked, red/green was about quality of life for pilots. Now you want to restrict junior pilots from having a better quality of life.
"Additionally, this can also leave less "green" days for the other pilots to enjoy the flexibility of dropping and trading."
Ever time I check, most of the days are green. I call B.S.
"This practice has resulted in leaving FLL pilots with no ability to either trade or pick up trips within FLICA as generally there is no open time whatsoever. "
Really, you have no ability to pick up open time. In base pilots have initial open time that is not open to out of base pilots. Even after that closes, you have the same opportunity as everyone else to pick up trips. I will agree with you when you said FLL pilots. There are 1100 pilots here that will be affected. The real issue is that there is less open time to go around. Stop making your fellow pilot the issue.
"Quality of life has diminished due to the now inflexibility of lines and also economic loss causing hardship for FLL based pilots."
If you are having an economic hardship due to lack of overtime, then maybe you should be revisiting your personal financial decisions. Which everyone else should not be penalized for.
"WHEREAS: This pilot group would like to have the right and ability to
reassess and/or revise this RESOLUTION in the event of significant base reductions."
Basically your saying you want the ability to pick up out of domicile if it works in your favor. Wow! This is the most self centered statement in the whole resolution. Anyone who votes for this is insulting the pilot group as a whole. Resolutions like this promote division and should not be allowed. Good luck!
"As such open time in that base should be seen as a benefit of that seniority, as should be the ability to pick up open time by the seniority awarded pilots of that base."
Your are proposing that open time no longer goes by first come first serve. You are definitely targeting junior pilots picking up open time. It is not bad enough that we make 38.50 an hour first year. Good luck picking up work now!
"Lack of restrictive language in our current CBA has allowed commuting pilots to drop their entire schedules in their awarded base and pick up FLL based trips to essentially rebuild their entire schedule out of FLL thus circumventing the seniority system."
Last I checked, red/green was about quality of life for pilots. Now you want to restrict junior pilots from having a better quality of life.
"Additionally, this can also leave less "green" days for the other pilots to enjoy the flexibility of dropping and trading."
Ever time I check, most of the days are green. I call B.S.
"This practice has resulted in leaving FLL pilots with no ability to either trade or pick up trips within FLICA as generally there is no open time whatsoever. "
Really, you have no ability to pick up open time. In base pilots have initial open time that is not open to out of base pilots. Even after that closes, you have the same opportunity as everyone else to pick up trips. I will agree with you when you said FLL pilots. There are 1100 pilots here that will be affected. The real issue is that there is less open time to go around. Stop making your fellow pilot the issue.
"Quality of life has diminished due to the now inflexibility of lines and also economic loss causing hardship for FLL based pilots."
If you are having an economic hardship due to lack of overtime, then maybe you should be revisiting your personal financial decisions. Which everyone else should not be penalized for.
"WHEREAS: This pilot group would like to have the right and ability to
reassess and/or revise this RESOLUTION in the event of significant base reductions."
Basically your saying you want the ability to pick up out of domicile if it works in your favor. Wow! This is the most self centered statement in the whole resolution. Anyone who votes for this is insulting the pilot group as a whole. Resolutions like this promote division and should not be allowed. Good luck!
A daily window that closes in the late afternoon that allows everyone an equal opportunity to bid. This removes the guys using auto-bidding software out of the equation. Then make the assignments automatic based on seniorty. Moreover, let people from out of base to continue picking it up. Since its seniority based, it's self correcting.
Regarding some junior guys not liking the seniority concept... not sure what to say other than eventually you will be senior.
03-14-2015, 04:25 PM
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Economic hardship????? She suffered that when she couldn't be awarded 15 JRMs.. This proposal stinks of bs! Good luck!
03-14-2015, 04:46 PM
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IMO the only reasonable solution is to make Open Time based on the following:
A daily window that closes in the late afternoon that allows everyone an equal opportunity to bid. This removes the guys using auto-bidding software out of the equation. Then make the assignments automatic based on seniorty. Moreover, let people from out of base to continue picking it up. Since its seniority based, it's self correcting.
Regarding some junior guys not liking the seniority concept... not sure what to say other than eventually you will be senior.
A daily window that closes in the late afternoon that allows everyone an equal opportunity to bid. This removes the guys using auto-bidding software out of the equation. Then make the assignments automatic based on seniorty. Moreover, let people from out of base to continue picking it up. Since its seniority based, it's self correcting.
Regarding some junior guys not liking the seniority concept... not sure what to say other than eventually you will be senior.
03-14-2015, 04:48 PM
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03-14-2015, 05:18 PM
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IMO the only reasonable solution is to make Open Time based on the following:
A daily window that closes in the late afternoon that allows everyone an equal opportunity to bid. This removes the guys using auto-bidding software out of the equation. Then make the assignments automatic based on seniorty. Moreover, let people from out of base to continue picking it up. Since its seniority based, it's self correcting.
Regarding some junior guys not liking the seniority concept... not sure what to say other than eventually you will be senior.
A daily window that closes in the late afternoon that allows everyone an equal opportunity to bid. This removes the guys using auto-bidding software out of the equation. Then make the assignments automatic based on seniorty. Moreover, let people from out of base to continue picking it up. Since its seniority based, it's self correcting.
Regarding some junior guys not liking the seniority concept... not sure what to say other than eventually you will be senior.
you have no proof of auto biddin software being used. bring some proof before making accusations. I think there are people who have there wives doin it, but good on em. It's first come first served if you want to pick up open time then pick it up, quit whining because you cant get your choice.
Leave the open time like it is, theres nothing wrong with daily open, initial open time is seniority based.
03-14-2015, 06:12 PM
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Lookie here, another "all in favor of seniority, ill sleep with your wife because im senior to you" guy. Gimme a break.
you have no proof of auto biddin software being used. bring some proof before making accusations. I think there are people who have there wives doin it, but good on em. It's first come first served if you want to pick up open time then pick it up, quit whining because you cant get your choice.
Leave the open time like it is, theres nothing wrong with daily open, initial open time is seniority based.
you have no proof of auto biddin software being used. bring some proof before making accusations. I think there are people who have there wives doin it, but good on em. It's first come first served if you want to pick up open time then pick it up, quit whining because you cant get your choice.
Leave the open time like it is, theres nothing wrong with daily open, initial open time is seniority based.
03-14-2015, 06:23 PM
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I don't see why. You get your line with seniority, you improve your line in IOT with seniority, DOT is the only shot junior pilots have to improve their line. What about the senior guy that got senior in a year and the junior guy that stayed junior for 10 years because of stagnation and the fact that HR didn't pull his resume from the stack 6 month sooner than the senior guy. Seniority is how this industry works but throw the junior guys a bone because being senior is really just the luck of the draw.
03-14-2015, 06:27 PM
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I suppose I'm just a traditionalist.
03-14-2015, 06:53 PM
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03-14-2015, 07:07 PM
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Im all about traditions an believe seniority needs to have its benefits but the language in this resolution is an insult to everyone who happen to get hired after they did
this resolution tries to limit how much money I make so that someone who makes a lot more money than me can make even more.
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