Spirit of NKS
02-25-2015, 08:49 AM
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
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What are the competitive mins these days for Spirit?
02-25-2015, 08:53 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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Do we have one of those? I haven't run into a p2p member yet, so my chances of running into one today are pretty slim. My chances of checking my email today are 100%. Why make communication so difficult?
If communication was truly a priority, email would be the way to go. Five minutes, hit send and you're done. Instead we get "call me, I'll fill you in" knowing most won't call / leave a message / wait for a return call. It's almost like they don't want the info out there.
If communication was truly a priority, email would be the way to go. Five minutes, hit send and you're done. Instead we get "call me, I'll fill you in" knowing most won't call / leave a message / wait for a return call. It's almost like they don't want the info out there.
I guess I'll say it again - I'm not giving them info on a silver platter.
I'm FPSRussia and as always, have nice day.
02-25-2015, 09:31 AM
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02-25-2015, 09:35 AM
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Once again, why is it my responsibility to wring information from my reps? If there is reason to be optimistic, send one email to the 109 list. I don't see how 300 phone calls are somehow more secure than an email. Any mole that would forward an email to management would surely take notes and send the info anyway. Here is a news flash for you, whatever you know, whatever you think is a big secret, they thought of before you did. One of the many things that suck in your position is that you are trying to play poker with all your cards on the table.
The reason you will never see a union email stating the things you are requesting is simple, liability. Once a rep, officer, or management puts something in write whether it be in email or public filing they are now 100% responsible for the words that are being published.
I would love to read fucck the company emails and see a line drawn in the sand but we publicly are never going to see that. Does it make us ****ed off and feeling like mushrooms? Yes, but that is how the game is played.
Now we just have to trust ( which is hard ) that we are going to get the best deal possible, if we don't we vote it down and the cycle starts again. The ultimate power is with us, the pilot group.
I would love to see our reps and MEC start pulling us together instead of letting the factions we have destroy us.
add: the reason above are the only reason p2p exist so they can let info out and not be held responsible for it down the road in court
02-25-2015, 10:08 AM
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Joined APC: May 2010
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Communication has sucked the 8 years I've been here. Not gonna change. Training P2P guys. ***? It's been a year or more hasn't it? How long does it take?
02-25-2015, 11:18 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
I would like to see the MEC Chair and Vice Chair become more visible/high profile to our pilot group. It still amazes me that the MEC Chair is not on full flight pay loss either. We are growing as a pilot group and need these guys working full time on our behalf.
02-25-2015, 11:20 AM
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Position: A320
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4 people showed up to the LEC18 meeting in Chicago and almost 40% of this group failed to even bother to fill out the contract survey form. I regularly engage people I fly with on union emails and most have said they haven't read them (most recent examples are the pay rate and retirement comparison emails). Communication can be better, but the overall apathetic nature of this pilot group is alarming and independent of any external communication. How will these pilots know what we are worth and what is fair if they have no idea what industry average even is?
02-25-2015, 11:56 AM
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Airbus Capt
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Hopefully, this will change in the future.
02-25-2015, 11:58 AM
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4 people showed up to the LEC18 meeting in Chicago and almost 40% of this group failed to even bother to fill out the contract survey form. I regularly engage people I fly with on union emails and most have said they haven't read them (most recent examples are the pay rate and retirement comparison emails). Communication can be better, but the overall apathetic nature of this pilot group is alarming and independent of any external communication. How will these pilots know what we are worth and what is fair if they have no idea what industry average even is?
02-25-2015, 12:02 PM
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Bendo does put on the nice guy routine pretty well. It's been my experience that he's a fairly straight talker. I'll give him credit for that. Hopefully guys realize that he was responsible for breaking AMFA at NWA during his tenure there.
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