Spirit of NKS
02-12-2015, 06:48 PM
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Position: A320 Left
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Isn't this thought process detrimental to us all? Why should you have to "give up" something when in fact the Spirit pilot group has been "giving up" much in the way of lower than industry stds in about every aspect of their contract and the previous contracts as well for over a decade.
02-12-2015, 06:51 PM
escaped
Joined APC: Aug 2011
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They know, but by all means, file an NCC and see what happens. No MEC support = no teeth. The only reason an NCC or a full blown grievance has any effect on the company is the threat of arbitration, and you can't go to arbitration with out the MEC. The only thing that has any effect on the MEC is the threat of removal from office. Bottom line, if the MEC doesn't want it, it isn't going to happen. This lack of enforcement is the result of having an MEC that averages two big goose-steps to the left of Marx.
Therefore I am asking all who have been affected, or care about work rules, to join in a group grievance.
We need to be contacting the Scheduling committee with our concerns. This is not a personal matter, an individual grievance or a NCC is not the effective way to proceed.
Disappointed with the 70% yes vote.
To stay on course and optimistic, I need to convince myself that this is not indicative of how the group will be voting this summer.
It may not be a positive sign, but not the end of the world either.
Only consolation is that this LOA is a miniscule detail in comparison to what is being decided this summer.
Preseason:
Company 1
Pilots 0
02-12-2015, 06:53 PM
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Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
I fully agree.
Therefore I am asking all who have been affected, or care about work rules, to join in a group grievance.
We need to be contacting the Scheduling committee with our concerns. This is not a personal matter, an individual grievance or a NCC is not the effective way to proceed.
Disappointed with the 70% yes vote.
To stay on course and optimistic, I need to convince myself that this is not indicative of how the group will be voting this summer.
It may not be a positive sign, but not the end of the world either.
Only consolation is that this LOA is a miniscule detail in comparison to what is being decided this summer.
Preseason:
Company 1
Pilots 0
Therefore I am asking all who have been affected, or care about work rules, to join in a group grievance.
We need to be contacting the Scheduling committee with our concerns. This is not a personal matter, an individual grievance or a NCC is not the effective way to proceed.
Disappointed with the 70% yes vote.
To stay on course and optimistic, I need to convince myself that this is not indicative of how the group will be voting this summer.
It may not be a positive sign, but not the end of the world either.
Only consolation is that this LOA is a miniscule detail in comparison to what is being decided this summer.
Preseason:
Company 1
Pilots 0
02-12-2015, 06:58 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: A320HD
Posts: 307
I know I'm in the minority but we're "taking it in the back" here is how I see it. What can you possibly see in this LOA that gives that impression? The company is not just gonna throw money on the table. I wish I could live in this mythical land so many of you do where we get these amazing pay raises just because everyone else is. Now they know commuters can be scared of commuting and others can be scared of scenarios where they could possibly make less money. Throw in fear of a base closure or longer upgrades and we'll have PBS in no time.
02-12-2015, 09:19 PM
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02-12-2015, 10:21 PM
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I know I'm in the minority but we're "taking it in the back" here is how I see it. What can you possibly see in this LOA that gives that impression? The company is not just gonna throw money on the table. I wish I could live in this mythical land so many of you do where we get these amazing pay raises just because everyone else is. Now they know commuters can be scared of commuting and others can be scared of scenarios where they could possibly make less money. Throw in fear of a base closure or longer upgrades and we'll have PBS in no time.
02-13-2015, 04:36 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Airbus Left
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I know I'm in the minority but we're "taking it in the back" here is how I see it. What can you possibly see in this LOA that gives that impression? The company is not just gonna throw money on the table. I wish I could live in this mythical land so many of you do where we get these amazing pay raises just because everyone else is. Now they know commuters can be scared of commuting and others can be scared of scenarios where they could possibly make less money. Throw in fear of a base closure or longer upgrades and we'll have PBS in no time.
We have no reason to be scared of anybody. Look at the big picture - looming pilot shortage, airlines growing, making money, mass retirements in coming years. The future is bright for us, unless we give up before we even start.
02-13-2015, 04:52 AM
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Position: Airbus Left
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I don't think you guys are reading what I'm actually writing. I am willing to fight the good fight and I can financially weather a prolonged strike. We deserve and should fight for a great CBA. I just don't believe for a second that management, without condition, is going to offer us a 34% pay raise and allow everything else to stay status quo. Oh, and offer this sometime in 2015 or 2016. Guys hoping for this or even believing this is likely are going to be disappointed (not to mention more than rates need fixing). Our gains will be made in section 6. Look at your ID badge and refresh your memory as to which management team you work for. No Richard Anderson or Herb Kelleher here. Sorry.
02-13-2015, 05:20 AM
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I don't think you guys are reading what I'm actually writing. I am willing to fight the good fight and I can financially weather a prolonged strike. We deserve and should fight for a great CBA. I just don't believe for a second that management, without condition, is going to offer us a 34% pay raise and allow everything else to stay status quo. Oh, and offer this sometime in 2015 or 2016. Guys hoping for this or even believing this is likely are going to be disappointed (not to mention more than rates need fixing). Our gains will be made in section 6. Look at your ID badge and refresh your memory as to which management team you work for. No Richard Anderson or Herb Kelleher here. Sorry.
He'd rape & pillage his employees if they let him. same thing here. Spirit guys took a stand and went on strike, I'm pretty sure management is looking at this round of negotiations slightly different than last time.
02-13-2015, 07:16 AM
New Hire
Joined APC: Jan 2015
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If one were to make a 20 question exam quizzing you on the facts of the DL LOA I wonder which group would score higher... The yes voters or the no voters.
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