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02-10-2015, 08:46 AM

#10481

Qotsaautopilot

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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj

Time to get when the getting is good...let's not fall for some two year amendment that's running around the rumor mill. We need to get all we can now! In two years, who knows where the industry will be.

I don't mind a 2-3 term as long as it's a new contract we find acceptable and not some extension of our crappy contract. Why sign a 5 year deal when ultimately a 5 year deal becomes 7-10? Even with a long term contract, if things were to get bad one day it doesn't stop any management from coming for concessions mid term. It does however extend the pilot groups opportunity to get their next raise if times remain good. 2-3 contracts are the sweet spot now IMO.

02-10-2015, 08:51 AM

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SG1159

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Originally Posted by gonyon

In two,years we will still be negotiating

I agree.... Just curious: does anyone know what is the record for the fastest negotiation of an ALPA CBA in recent years?

02-10-2015, 09:00 AM

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Judge Smails

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Originally Posted by skybolt

It's still floating around because on, at least one that I know of, negotiator is floating it. I won't speculate on his logic.

....and you've heard this idea floated DIRECTLY from said negotiator?

02-10-2015, 09:00 AM

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The Juice

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Originally Posted by SG1159

I agree.... Just curious: does anyone know what is the record for the fastest negotiation of an ALPA CBA in recent years?

Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle had a TA on their JCBA in like 4 months.

But this isnt a factor of ALPA, and more so the situation at the airline at that time. A BK was filed a year later as well...

02-10-2015, 09:02 AM

#10485

Qotsaautopilot

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Originally Posted by SG1159

I agree.... Just curious: does anyone know what is the record for the fastest negotiation of an ALPA CBA in recent years?

Delta had a TA they ratified six months PRIOR to the ammendable date in 2012

02-10-2015, 09:03 AM

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gonyon

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle had a TA on their JCBA in like 4 months.

But this isnt a factor of ALPA, and more so the situation at the airline at that time. A BK was filed a year later as well...

Amazing how fast it can happen if the company reps are motivated.

I would agree to a two year extension with just an adjusted pay scale to match industry average if it was just a quick gimme to mitigate attrition and to keep attracting talent while they simultaneously negotiate terms for a new deal.

Of course that will never happen

02-10-2015, 09:04 AM

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gonyon

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

....and you've heard this idea floated DIRECTLY from said negotiator?

I have heard specifics from people who all got it directly from a rep. These folks are friends with said rep.

I heard directly from the mec chairman that it is a false rumor. Interesting to find out which is true

02-10-2015, 09:27 AM

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The Juice

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Originally Posted by gonyon

I would agree to a two year extension with just an adjusted pay scale to match industry average if it was just a quick gimme to mitigate attrition and to keep attracting talent while they simultaneously negotiate terms for a new deal.

I dont think I could vote for any 2 year extension that is industry average while our 401k, LTD, scope all remains below average.

Also, we need to view our wages based on a fleet that averages 198 seats per plane, and no longer 161 seats per plane, because that will be the situation in this next contract duration.