Quint

Unstacking is a sorta-downside of PBS. I'll try, in a nutshell:

Since you are building your own lines out of the trips in the pot, everyone is going to request Christmas (or any big holiday/event off). PBS will comply. Problem is you're going to end up with a ton of open trips over said holiday. More than the reserves can cover. So PBS will, in reverse seniority order, "unstack" enough of those open trips and rework the junior lineholders schedules until the open time over those holidays are manageable. Thereby having those guys work over the holiday when they otherwise could have held it off.

Sounds really bad, but if you think about it, under line bidding, the company would've built the lines to not have that many open trips over said holiday to begin with, so it's really a wash.

flyguyniner11

Prob feb2014

FlyingOkra

I think 900 seniority would be about a Feb 2014 hire.

Judge Smails

Looks like Airbus has officially launched the A321 variant with 4,000 miles range. This could open a lot of possibilities.

Airbus launches A321neo with true transatlantic capability | Airbus News & Events

Cruise

I didn't take a snapshot of my vote...because that doesn't really prove much since you can vote one way only to go back and resubmit in the opposite direction later (only the last vote counts).

But I'm an 'against' the LOA voter. It's close, but the LOA needs further refinement before I'm going to the 'for' camp.

Quint

I'll say this about line bidding vs. PBS since I've done both and since you guys are discussing it:

I like PBS better. You've got alot more control of your schedule. The min days off, I don't think, should factor in to your thought process too much because if that's what you want, then just bid that way. You want only commutable trips, bid that. You want only day trips, bid that. ...etc....

I definitely favors seniority more, and since I'm senior in my seat, I'm probably biased. Then there's the obvious negatives, transition conflicts and such. But as someone said, how many guys does that work for and do you have to bid a line you really don't want to make it work. No vacation touching drops either. Although a nice thing about PBS is that if you want to go do something and don't have vacation, just bid for 5,6,7...10 days off in a row. You'll work hard the rest of the month but if you really want the days off, it's doable.

At the end of the day, PBS is still technically a concession as it benefits the company manning-wise. So if you go to it, make sure you get something(s) good for it and doing it while you're growing helps too. It got forced on us during bankruptcy with guys furloughed. Don't get me started on that one.

Last thing, you were talking about daily guarantee. Ours is an Average Daily Guarantee (ADG). Meaning the trips have to average 5:15 per calendar day. So 30 hr layovers don't hurt you. There are some carve outs for stuff that finished between midnight and 2am, I think, and for trips that start very late. I can't remember the specifics off the top of my head. A min calendar day would be better than an average, so keep that in mind, but average is not too bad.

yoda82

Question: Anybody else not able to see Feb open time on Flica?

skytrekker

Have a look at the article from Leeham.

<http://leehamnews.com/2015/01/15/airbus-formally-launches-a321lr-we-look-behind-the-lr-to-see-whats-there/>


Airbus has this as a two class 206 pax at 97 tonnes MTOW.

How many seats would a ULCC want?

Brickhouse

Yes. Email crewplan. They'll fix it. You do still work here.

gringo

Azul is opening up Europe from Brasil with their 350's. Their 330 to FLL is packed.

Norwegian is flying 787's packed to the gills.

I know we've got some 500 untapped markets here domestically, but I see nothing but possibilities across the pond and below the equator...