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Old 09-12-2024, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Ahhh refuting with an anecdote? That's about as good as the perpetual "I heard some girl was fired on newhire IOE for texting/talking on her phone while taxiing" that pervade every airline. Except nobody ever seems to have first hand knowledge of it.
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I'm no fan of hiring people because they can check a box but it's important to remember at every airline all newhires and upgrades have to pass the same checkrides and the same IOE. To say someone isn't qualified or was pushed through because they can check a box is unfair.
Think you are taking the human element out of it when dealing with interpersonal relations at work.

As a male Captain, I honestly would take a much softer approach if I had a female (white or of color) FO make big mistake than if it were a white male and we had to debrief it. We act like we are held to the same standards but honestly, we are not.
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Old 09-12-2024, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Think you are taking the human element out of it when dealing with interpersonal relations at work.

As a male Captain, I honestly would take a much softer approach if I had a female (white or of color) FO make big mistake than if it were a white male and we had to debrief it. We act like we are held to the same standards but honestly, we are not.

Because at the end of the day, we all want to encourage and empower to improve and be safer. If drill sergeant gets us further from there and Mr. Rogers gets us closer, well then bring out Fred.
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Old 09-12-2024, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I'm no fan of hiring people because they can check a box but it's important to remember at every airline all newhires and upgrades have to pass the same checkrides and the same IOE. To say someone isn't qualified or was pushed through because they can check a box is unfair.
like the atlas 767 that went into the gulf?
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Old 09-13-2024, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Ahhh refuting with an anecdote? That's about as good as the perpetual "I heard some girl was fired on newhire IOE for texting/talking on her phone while taxiing" that pervade every airline. Except nobody ever seems to have first hand knowledge of it.

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Old 09-13-2024, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
like the atlas 767 that went into the gulf?
Cool. One doofus who lied on his PRIAs and gets hired at a two bit ACMI that was desperate for pilots doesn't make a precedent much less an epidemic. Try harder.

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And I bet you'll hear a lot more about angry boomers harassing younger pilots because of who they are and telling off color jokes and general acts of unprofessionalism than poor airmanship from "DEI hires". At least that's what my ProStans buddies tell me.
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Old 09-13-2024, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
like the atlas 767 that went into the gulf?
Man, you beat me to it. I was literally going to bring up the same point.
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Old 09-13-2024, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's not DEI, that's nepotism.

Different issue. Not desireable any more so or less so than DEI. Not too many folks around here advocating for nepotism.

IIRC AA actually had a policy at one point that basically stated you couldn't get hired there if a relative already worked for them. Not sure if that was just within flight ops or company wide.
Hasn't been like that for a long time. Family hires (AA refers to them as legacy candidates) are highly preferred at AA.
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Old 09-13-2024, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
like the atlas 767 that went into the gulf?
you mean the Dash-8 that went into a residential street in Buffalo....
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Old 09-13-2024, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020
you mean the Dash-8 that went into a residential street in Buffalo....
Yeah that one too. Good point.
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