Spirit Airlines Ch.11
10-20-2024, 08:52 AM
#601
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Can you provide specifics? Not trying to be difficult - legitimately curious. Some of this could be very fact dependent .. ie does any US airline have monopoly power that would make the Sherman Act relevant. From what I can tell in that situation, it's close to an affirmative defense that the hiring company actually has a legit business use for the hires. If United legit needs 1000 pilots next year, takes 800 spirit captains and they all stay busy ... no foul.
10-20-2024, 09:04 AM
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Robert Isom standing outside the Spirit DFW Crew room and putting $100 bill on a fishing hook. And when a pilot walks by, he starts to reel it in and the pilot goes after it all the way next to a AA hiring poster in the hallway.
or Scott Kirby down in Houston standing on the corner next to the employee parking lot wearing a banana costume and waving around a “hiring Pilots” signs when a NK pilot drives by.
or Scott Kirby down in Houston standing on the corner next to the employee parking lot wearing a banana costume and waving around a “hiring Pilots” signs when a NK pilot drives by.
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10-20-2024, 09:10 AM
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Legacies want the feed of regionals and the major unions have largely come to accept the current level of scope and the major pilots can be bought off with the profit sharing that feed brings in. But the ULCCs are squarely in the major airlines sights which is why they will match the ULCCs prices with their economy seats while often providing greater frequency. They just can't make it too obvious.
10-20-2024, 09:18 AM
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10-20-2024, 10:05 AM
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https://www.foley.com/insights/publi...es-be-an-anti/
Yeah, most likely, but we are looking for chapter and verse specifics. There are some behaviors that are illegal per se - competitors sitting down to fix prices would be an example. There are other behaviors that could be illegal given a larger context. That context, and the enforcement mechanism, matters a lot.
Looking at the article above, if United hired away all of Spirits captains and employed them as FA's ... that would be suspect. Hiring them all away to be pilots is much more defensible. And it might even be legal to hire them away as FA's if no individual airline has monopoly power.
Yeah, most likely, but we are looking for chapter and verse specifics. There are some behaviors that are illegal per se - competitors sitting down to fix prices would be an example. There are other behaviors that could be illegal given a larger context. That context, and the enforcement mechanism, matters a lot.
Looking at the article above, if United hired away all of Spirits captains and employed them as FA's ... that would be suspect. Hiring them all away to be pilots is much more defensible. And it might even be legal to hire them away as FA's if no individual airline has monopoly power.
10-20-2024, 10:25 AM
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lol… you guys are acting like every NK CA is willing to start over at the bottom of a legacy list. Many are but the majority are not. This idea that all 2000 NK CA’s have their apps in and are just sitting around waiting for a call from a legacy is silly. Can that change if things continue to trend in the wrong direction here? Sure I suppose. Most of us are in so deep we might as well hang out and see what happens. Leaving 10-15 years of seniority for a legacy is not a zero risk proposition.
10-20-2024, 10:35 AM
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lol… you guys are acting like every NK CA is willing to start over at the bottom of a legacy list. Many are but the majority are not. This idea that all 2000 NK CA’s have their apps in and are just sitting around waiting for a call from a legacy is silly. Can that change if things continue to trend in the wrong direction here? Sure I suppose. Most of us are in so deep we might as well hang out and see what happens. Leaving 10-15 years of seniority for a legacy is not a zero risk proposition.
10-20-2024, 01:04 PM
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^^^ this ^^^ Another thing to add, it makes no sense to be gung ho to get out. Not saying don’t be ready but by the time anyone has an offer/class date we will know what’s happening here. Nothing will happen fast. Being 94% vs 98% on a 20,000 pilot seniority list isn’t going to make a difference. Jumping ship and spirit surviving or being merged and keeping some relative seniority intact will make a huge difference over one’s career.
Makes total sense for me.
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