Spirit Airlines Ch.11
10-10-2024, 06:40 AM
#512
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Did they patent or copyright charging lower fares for fewer ameneties?
Typically no law against copying a fee structure, it's not intellectual property. No law against competing.
Yes, definitely a lot stars lining up, not in a good way.
Plus bigger network with more destinations to use points.
Oops. Unintended consequence.
Typically no law against copying a fee structure, it's not intellectual property. No law against competing.
Let’s do some simple and admittedly not highly accurate math. Spirit and Frontier fleet is around 350 planes. Legacy fleet is greater than 2500ish? All they needed is 1 out of every 7 seats to be basic economy to double the ULCC seat market in the US. So 30 seats a plane? And then they could make all the money they want with the rest.
As a passenger I don’t give a hoot what airline I fly as long as it matches my schedule and price. But if I only have one option every few days or heck even 1 option a day vs 9 it’s a nice peace of mind to fly on the airline with a huge fleet.
As a passenger I don’t give a hoot what airline I fly as long as it matches my schedule and price. But if I only have one option every few days or heck even 1 option a day vs 9 it’s a nice peace of mind to fly on the airline with a huge fleet.
Another note…everybody talks about ULCC costing the same as a legacy after all the bags. Unfortunately for the ULCCs passengers have learned how to travel without bags. I rarely see more than 20% bag to pax ratio. My flight currently has 11%. It’s still way cheaper to fly ULCC if you know how the game works.
10-10-2024, 06:43 AM
#513
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Don’t forget that the architect of the AA network was canned this summer due to his abysmal decisions on business travel bookings.
10-10-2024, 06:47 AM
#514
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Yeah. That was dumb. He flew too close to the sun in his attempts to make AA a domestic leisure carrier. He'll probably wash up on the beach at Spirit or Frontier eventually. Just like Gangwal has at SWA.
10-10-2024, 08:13 AM
#515
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Did they patent or copyright charging lower fares for fewer ameneties?
Typically no law against copying a fee structure, it's not intellectual property. No law against competing.
Yes, definitely a lot stars lining up, not in a good way.
Plus bigger network with more destinations to use points.
Oops. Unintended consequence.
Typically no law against copying a fee structure, it's not intellectual property. No law against competing.
Yes, definitely a lot stars lining up, not in a good way.
Plus bigger network with more destinations to use points.
Oops. Unintended consequence.
“No law against competing” Abort! Abort! JetBlue just got Jetscrewed from the judges ruling on the Clayton Act.
Sure was and I believe a large factor in the move to bundling fares by both carriers.
10-10-2024, 08:49 PM
#516
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Posts: 130
Random pilot at another airline who has nothing invested in the game.
I don't think Spirit will go bankrupt. I also don't think you guys will be bought by another airline anytime soon. I think you guys will reach a deal with the creditors and continue to limp on without filing bankruptcy.
I have no professional data to back up my opinions. I sing Disney songs in the cockpit with my captain.
Wish you all the best outcome that won't involve bankrupcy and furlough!
I don't think Spirit will go bankrupt. I also don't think you guys will be bought by another airline anytime soon. I think you guys will reach a deal with the creditors and continue to limp on without filing bankruptcy.
I have no professional data to back up my opinions. I sing Disney songs in the cockpit with my captain.
Wish you all the best outcome that won't involve bankrupcy and furlough!
10-11-2024, 09:35 AM
#517
weekends off? Nope...
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Posts: 2,034
Random pilot at another airline who has nothing invested in the game.
I don't think Spirit will go bankrupt. I also don't think you guys will be bought by another airline anytime soon. I think you guys will reach a deal with the creditors and continue to limp on without filing bankruptcy.
I have no professional data to back up my opinions. I sing Disney songs in the cockpit with my captain.
Wish you all the best outcome that won't involve bankrupcy and furlough!
I don't think Spirit will go bankrupt. I also don't think you guys will be bought by another airline anytime soon. I think you guys will reach a deal with the creditors and continue to limp on without filing bankruptcy.
I have no professional data to back up my opinions. I sing Disney songs in the cockpit with my captain.
Wish you all the best outcome that won't involve bankrupcy and furlough!
10-14-2024, 08:35 AM
#519
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Posts: 350
Isn't the whole issue here the ULCC model and that there's too much capacity with ULCCs and there needs to be a shrinking down to profitability? I hope it does happen and F9 merges with Spirit but how would that change things other than probably raise prices and add more capacity?
10-14-2024, 08:47 AM
#520
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 257
Isn't the whole issue here the ULCC model and that there's too much capacity with ULCCs and there needs to be a shrinking down to profitability? I hope it does happen and F9 merges with Spirit but how would that change things other than probably raise prices and add more capacity?
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