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Old 10-07-2024, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Hypothetically possible, in BK proceedings where fat can be trimmed and unwanted obligations ditched. Even the threat of BK might get certain creditors on board, but that doesn't allow you to do things like modify service contracts, labor CBA's, etc.

But not a sure thing that they could even work out a deal. If I were contemplating such a move, I'd definitely wait until Nov 6 (or whenever the re-counts, lawsuits, and insurrections are done).
There is no waiting until Nov6, bonds talks already extended once, deadline in a few weeks.
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Old 10-07-2024, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
**** is annoying with the same repetative narrative. As well as people saying im crazy to leave.
Who's saying a pilot is "crazy to leave"?

In this business, you really have to make the best decision for you/your family for long term as best you can decipher it. No one has a crystal ball that can look out past a year, and anything past next couple of years is just hypothetical. Threats come to this industry from many varied angles that are almost impossible to account for.
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Old 10-07-2024, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
There is no waiting until Nov6, bonds talks already extended once, deadline in a few weeks.
Im sure he knew that, he knows everything.
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Old 10-07-2024, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
There is no waiting until Nov6, bonds talks already extended once, deadline in a few weeks.
I was referring to decisions about a hypothetical M&A, not BK filing per se.
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Old 10-07-2024, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Who's saying a pilot is "crazy to leave"?

In this business, you really have to make the best decision for you/your family for long term as best you can decipher it. No one has a crystal ball that can look out past a year, and anything past next couple of years is just hypothetical. Threats come to this industry from many varied angles that are almost impossible to account for.
A lot of people, still amazes me.
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Old 10-07-2024, 03:43 PM
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[QUOTE=Noisecanceller;3809497]
Originally Posted by Tranquility
Two questions that could determine whether or not to file;
1. What kind of compensation will RTX provide in 2025 and beyond?
2. Are we able to renegotiate our debts and under what terms?

Also note Teddy said "at this time....".[/QUOTE

Hes got only a few months to make number 2 happen or they’ll have to file to keep the cash on hand to get through any possible reorganization. ]
Hasn't he been making "#2 happen" since he got here?
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Old 10-08-2024, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Hypothetically possible, in BK proceedings where fat can be trimmed and unwanted obligations ditched. Even the threat of BK might get certain creditors on board, but that doesn't allow you to do things like modify service contracts, labor CBA's, etc.

But not a sure thing that they could even work out a deal. If I were contemplating such a move, I'd definitely wait until Nov 6 (or whenever the re-counts, lawsuits, and insurrections are done).
Wouldn’t they face same restrictions as in the JetBlue merger by the DOJ? There would be less cheap options and competition. I hope it does happen though because nobody wants to see instability in the industry
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Old 10-08-2024, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bluespoon
Wouldn’t they face same restrictions as in the JetBlue merger by the DOJ? There would be less cheap options and competition. I hope it does happen though because nobody wants to see instability in the industry
Somebody correct me if I'm off base here, but it seems like there has to be zero route overlap for a merger to happen which is why AS/HA was allowed to go through.

NK and F9 have numerous route overlap.
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Old 10-08-2024, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
Somebody correct me if I'm off base here, but it seems like there has to be zero route overlap for a merger to happen which is why AS/HA was allowed to go through.

NK and F9 have numerous route overlap.
There was less overlap but the real reason the DOJ let it sail through was because they realized they messed up blocking the B6/NK merger and didn’t want any more egg on the administration’s face going into an election year.
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Old 10-08-2024, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Hypothetically possible, in BK proceedings where fat can be trimmed and unwanted obligations ditched. Even the threat of BK might get certain creditors on board, but that doesn't allow you to do things like modify service contracts, labor CBA's, etc.

But not a sure thing that they could even work out a deal. If I were contemplating such a move, I'd definitely wait until Nov 6 (or whenever the re-counts, lawsuits, and insurrections are done).
The threat of bankruptcy no, but once actual bankruptcy happens, you can absolutely force a labor union in to a new CBA (less pay). just ask all the Maj. airlines what happened after 9/11.
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