Spirit Airlines Ch.11
08-05-2024, 08:28 AM
#241
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Legacy pay rates are almost all the same now.
In 2025 (a few months away), 9 year 777/787 FOs make $307.86. In addition to this, there is an international override when flying. This applies to most every trip as that is where the 777/787s fly. That means that the rate is more than $312 for 9 year WB FOs.
Currently 9 year FOs make $296, plus the international override. So it is a touch less than current top of scale captains.
The most junior WB FO at American right now makes $276.63 when crossing the Atlantic, and this will go to $294.65 in 2025.
There is no way that Spirit can cut pay by 20% and be even slightly competitive.
In 2025 (a few months away), 9 year 777/787 FOs make $307.86. In addition to this, there is an international override when flying. This applies to most every trip as that is where the 777/787s fly. That means that the rate is more than $312 for 9 year WB FOs.
Currently 9 year FOs make $296, plus the international override. So it is a touch less than current top of scale captains.
The most junior WB FO at American right now makes $276.63 when crossing the Atlantic, and this will go to $294.65 in 2025.
There is no way that Spirit can cut pay by 20% and be even slightly competitive.
08-05-2024, 10:21 AM
#242
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For 2025, it's about $120 first year, $185 second year. Airbus and 737 are the same.
08-05-2024, 11:32 AM
#243
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There is virtually a 100% chance that anyone going to AA starts out as a narrowbody FO, probably somewhere in the NE if I had to guess, and there are no guarantees that they get much further than that for the next few years.
You told everyone here that WB FOs at AA with nearly a decade on property are making narrowbody CA pay. That's great and all, but what does that do for someone looking to jump ship for AA in the near future when hiring resumes? A lot can change between now and even five years from now, and they may never see that by the time they get to WB FO.
If you don't believe that there are closed door conversations going on over at the big 3 over how to get labor costs back down after the post COVID boom, then you are extremely naive. They are coming for your money, sooner or later, but I suspect sooner.
Never underestimate the power of American greed. But who really knows, maybe I'm just jaded.
I'm young enough that I never got to experience the golden years of the 90s, but also old enough that my airline career hasn't resembled a trip to Disneyworld.
08-05-2024, 11:48 AM
#244
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It is a great place for this discussion, since you brought it up.
There is virtually a 100% chance that anyone going to AA starts out as a narrowbody FO, probably somewhere in the NE if I had to guess, and there are no guarantees that they get much further than that for the next few years.
You told everyone here that WB FOs at AA with nearly a decade on property are making narrowbody CA pay. That's great and all, but what does that do for someone looking to jump ship for AA in the near future when hiring resumes? A lot can change between now and even five years from now, and they may never see that by the time they get to WB FO.
If you don't believe that there are closed door conversations going on over at the big 3 over how to get labor costs back down after the post COVID boom, then you are extremely naive. They are coming for your money, sooner or later, but I suspect sooner.
Never underestimate the power of American greed. But who really knows, maybe I'm just jaded.
I'm young enough that I never got to experience the golden years of the 90s, but also old enough that my airline career hasn't resembled a trip to Disneyworld.
There is virtually a 100% chance that anyone going to AA starts out as a narrowbody FO, probably somewhere in the NE if I had to guess, and there are no guarantees that they get much further than that for the next few years.
You told everyone here that WB FOs at AA with nearly a decade on property are making narrowbody CA pay. That's great and all, but what does that do for someone looking to jump ship for AA in the near future when hiring resumes? A lot can change between now and even five years from now, and they may never see that by the time they get to WB FO.
If you don't believe that there are closed door conversations going on over at the big 3 over how to get labor costs back down after the post COVID boom, then you are extremely naive. They are coming for your money, sooner or later, but I suspect sooner.
Never underestimate the power of American greed. But who really knows, maybe I'm just jaded.
I'm young enough that I never got to experience the golden years of the 90s, but also old enough that my airline career hasn't resembled a trip to Disneyworld.
08-05-2024, 12:13 PM
#245
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yup. Those who started out in the early 2000s got shafted the most.(9/11, 2008 downturn along with Age 65 etc) Those who got their PPL during or right before COVID look like they hit the absolute perfect time. No TPIC, No college not much TT and are now a few thousand numbers in at a legacy. Truly incredible timing.
08-05-2024, 03:13 PM
#246
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08-06-2024, 01:37 PM
#248
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Position: CA
Posts: 1,226
yup. Those who started out in the early 2000s got shafted the most.(9/11, 2008 downturn along with Age 65 etc) Those who got their PPL during or right before COVID look like they hit the absolute perfect time. No TPIC, No college not much TT and are now a few thousand numbers in at a legacy. Truly incredible timing.
08-06-2024, 02:09 PM
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You mean 2.5 years into your career you weren't making videos on "Let me show you how I prep my 777 for a flight to Korea?" "Let me show you how I work the radio out of SFO." "These rooms in the Pacific theater are much better than the tiny European ones." Hey man....he just didn't want to settle for those Erie and Lake Charles overnights.
08-06-2024, 02:14 PM
#250
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You mean 2.5 years into your career you weren't making videos on "Let me show you how I prep my 777 for a flight to Korea?" "Let me show you how I work the radio out of SFO." "These rooms in the Pacific theater are much better than the tiny European ones." Hey man....he just didn't want to settle for those Erie and Lake Charles overnights.
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