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Old 07-31-2024, 08:17 PM
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Even in ULCCs raise their prices, can they really match the network and frequency that the legacy airlines provide? The only real thing that they had going for them was price. If they cost the same, what is the incentive to fly on Spirit as opposed to Delta?
Their response will be “Just wait until the next recession! Customers will be all over us for our low prices!”
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“We have the most fuel efficient fleet, we need higher gas prices to snuff out the legacies!”

Some weird black swan event to lift them up by the boot straps
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Old 07-31-2024, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
Their response will be “Just wait until the next recession! Customers will be all over us for our low prices!”
Or
“We have the most fuel efficient fleet, we need higher gas prices to snuff out the legacies!”

Some weird black swan event to lift them up by the boot straps
To be fair this used to be the case up until legacies figured out becoming banks allowed them to run an unprofitable operation. Their entire domestic network is essentially a loss leader now. DOJ thinks they’re enforcing antitrust when they’re really just further entrenching the 3 way oligopoly that they allowed to develop over the past 20 years.

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Old 08-01-2024, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish
To be fair this used to be the case up until legacies figured out becoming banks allowed them to run an unprofitable operation. Their entire domestic network is essentially a loss leader now. DOJ thinks they’re enforcing antitrust when they’re really just further entrenching the 3 way oligopoly that they allowed to develop over the past 20 years.
good news is we kept our Quarter losses at less than $200,000,000.00 😄
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Old 08-01-2024, 03:48 AM
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good news is we kept our Quarter losses at less than $200,000,000.00 😄
Don't worry, Go Big and Go Comfy will do the trick. Profits right around the corner LOL
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Old 08-01-2024, 03:52 AM
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That's what I keep saying. The big airlines aren't airlines anymore. They're credit card companies that fly planes.
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Old 08-01-2024, 05:11 AM
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I'm too lazy to look it up, but do any of you have hard data from financial reports stating what percentage of a legacy's revenue comes from credit cards vs the operation as a whole? Is the operation actually running at a loss that is enabled by credit card sales, or is this just a popular narrative that is blindly repeated? My guess is that the data will show that while a significant source of revenue does come from the sale of credit cards, that revenue is just a piece of a multifaceted stream produced by a very large network.
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Old 08-01-2024, 05:57 AM
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Its alll joeover
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Old 08-01-2024, 07:06 AM
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Only .5b unencumbered assets remain, .5b in remaining sell leasebacks inbound, as well as prepayment refunds for delayed orders.
Will not be profitable for at least another year.
Company is shrinking in 2025.
67 AOG 2025 average
PW off wing time over 400 days to repair.
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Old 08-01-2024, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule
Only .5b unencumbered assets remain, .5b in remaining sell leasebacks inbound, as well as prepayment refunds for delayed orders.
Will not be profitable for at least another year.
Company is shrinking in 2025.
67 AOG 2025 average
PW off wing time over 400 days to repair.
I’ve not heard any change from the 300 days down. Where are you getting the 400 from?
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Old 08-01-2024, 07:32 AM
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Q2 conference call. Clearly stated changeouts exceeding 400 days now.
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