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Old 07-31-2024, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
Do we need to start being nice and helpful to people? what are you talking about here?
??? I’m talking about the new bundled fare structure announced yesterday. Yes I’m hoping improved PR is part of the plan but you can’t just raise fares without changing the product offering. I’m simply saying competing on product is the only play NK has here. Competing on price alone is no longer an option. Yet another reason the DOJ’s move to sue to block the B6/NK merger as well as Judge Young’s baffling decision in the case was so misguided.

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Old 07-31-2024, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish
??? I’m talking about the new bundled fare structure announced yesterday. Yes I’m hoping improved PR is part of the plan but you can’t just raise fares without changing the product offering. I’m simply saying competing on product is the only play NK has here. Competing on price alone is no longer an option. Yet another reason the DOJ’s move to sue to block the B6/NK merger as well as Judge Young’s baffling decision in the case was so misguided.
Man. You gotta let that baffling ruling go. It’s only in your little world that it doesn’t make sense. Remember, there was near absolute skepticism of it going through in the beginning. The only people claiming confidence were JB management. Seems a few folks developed some amnesia over the 2 years of one airline holding a pillow over the head of another.

Yes. NK is in trouble if it doesn’t put some value into treating the customer, regardless of what they paid, in a way that stands out among the rest. The lack of a face of customer service at NK “baffles” me.
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Old 07-31-2024, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Man. You gotta let that baffling ruling go. It’s only in your little world that it doesn’t make sense. Remember, there was near absolute skepticism of it going through in the beginning. The only people claiming confidence were JB management. Seems a few folks developed some amnesia over the 2 years of one airline holding a pillow over the head of another.

Yes. NK is in trouble if it doesn’t put some value into treating the customer, regardless of what they paid, in a way that stands out among the rest. The lack of a face of customer service at NK “baffles” me.
I’m a little confused by the hostility here my dude. I’m just saying the DOJ’s actions here are inconsistent with their stated goal of increased competition. It was indeed a strange/unprecedented case to bring considering the M&A history of the airline industry. Also never suggested that NK didn’t need to improve its front line CS. That being said, it’s silly to think that NK will somehow be able to compete with the legacies by simply improving CS. Going to take a product shift and dramatic increase in revenue.

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Old 07-31-2024, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
well in that case CH 11 seems to be the only way to lower costs, lol. What else is there?
Ch11 is the only solution.
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Old 07-31-2024, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Man. You gotta let that baffling ruling go. It’s only in your little world that it doesn’t make sense. Remember, there was near absolute skepticism of it going through in the beginning. The only people claiming confidence were JB management. Seems a few folks developed some amnesia over the 2 years of one airline holding a pillow over the head of another.

Yes. NK is in trouble if it doesn’t put some value into treating the customer, regardless of what they paid, in a way that stands out among the rest. The lack of a face of customer service at NK “baffles” me.
I'm happy to see the shift in the business plan, even if it doesn't amount to much.

Just watching all of this unfold in the aftermath of Judge Young telling the poors that Spirit is for them, and then NK management giving the middle finger to the DOJ stating that their gonna move on from the ULCC market anyway, it fills my heart with a tremendous amount of joy.

Also, I'm glad that Jetblue management sabotaged the attempted merger with F9. I have no desire to be Mr ULCC discount airline pilot for the rest of my career, even it eventually means losing my job and starting over at a legacy.
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Old 07-31-2024, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Because fuel costs are widely variable CASM-ex is generally used to compare, not CASM.

I got the CASM-ex right off the investors site for the past quarter.
CASM-ex may be helpful for spotting internal metrics, but that fuel bill still impacts the bottom line even if try to ignore it
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Old 07-31-2024, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
CASM-ex may be helpful for spotting internal metrics, but that fuel bill still impacts the bottom line even if try to ignore it
Oil prices trending up due to increased turmoil in the Middle East and Venezuela as well. Let's see how long it takes to him $100/bbl again.
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Old 07-31-2024, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
CASM-ex may be helpful for spotting internal metrics, but that fuel bill still impacts the bottom line even if try to ignore it
This is true. And, Spirit tried to be innovative by going with fuel efficient engines. Unfortunately, said engines don't work, so any benefits on the fuel side are more than offset by the maintenance/grounding costs... Oh well, it was a good idea.... 😔

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Originally Posted by Tranquility
This is true. And, Spirit tried to be innovative by going with fuel efficient engines. Unfortunately, said engines don't work, so any benefits on the fuel side are more than offset by the maintenance/grounding costs... Oh well, it was a good idea.... 😔

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I wonder if this is true. I am curious to see the profit and loss on the planes in operation vs the planes that are not. Is it possible that the only thing keeping us afloat right now are the planes we are getting paid to not operate? I don’t believe we are making money on the planes flying.
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Old 07-31-2024, 05:15 PM
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They only got 200 million for the planes down in 2024. I very much believe this company would be at least breakeven if not for 1100g being pieces of junk.
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