sioux8ships

We could start by hiring frontline employees that actually give a ratsa$$ about our company instead of contract workers(that feel it’s necessary to beat up customers 4 on 1). Thank Bendo for that!

If we’re going to this tiered model of service, then maybe we need to get back to the Neeleman days of JB in the early 2000s.

DrSteveBrule

In my view at this stage it's not what can be done, it's what has been done. The company is failing and i doubt heavier bags and refunds is really what the public wants.

In my opinion, MIA never should have happened. Prolonged cuts in ORD and BWI never should have happened. The company chose to favor new markets like ORF and making GSO work over reestablishing ACY. The company got so wrapped up in M&A that they clearly failed to run a good company for the past two years, giving up valuable market share in cities like SJU and BWI, only to see competitors immediately fill in. I know TC claims his hands were tied due to merger, but things like MCO being a daily failure of an operation are things a leader doesnt allow to persist.

They can only scramble at this point, throw darts and hope. I can totally understand why shareholders hired a law firm to look for improprieties. Alot of things TC has said do not match with reality. We can only hope the bondholders are willing to negotiate or that a bankruptcy does not result in a full liquidation.

putzin

Hence "somebody like", in other words NOT BBB.

Halon I know you're not a company cheerleader, I also know you're reasonable.

Unfortunately the buck stops at the top, Teddy has had his time, he did nothing, there isn't a higher authority. So he goes.

Don't turn into a "what are you going to do mr pilot CEO" because its not that. Ted has failed and it's being compounded by the issue. New leadership won't solve the engine issue but it may solve the other problems.

Anyway just ideas, we are all along for the ride and the best we can do is hope, pray, cross fingers and enjoy it.

Sorry you didn't get UAL but I'm glad you and your experience are still at Spirit.

Noisecanceller

Youre joking right? P&W is paying us for the cost of the planes on the ground. We don’t make money on the planes we have flying. Those are facts. Every airline came out of Covid making money. We did not. That’s a management failure plain and simple. We are not in a tough spot bc of the engines. We made money with a lot less airplanes before. Why can’t we now? The business model is flawed and it’s execution is a direct result of management practices that failed.

spdbreaks

Point made, business model is flawed and to be real everything that exec management has been doing is not cutting it. Cheap fares, contracted airport services, lack of premium services (data showing thats what consumers are choosing), nickel-and-diming is not the solution. Not to include paying attention to wrong markets and focusing on bases that should not have been chosen (MIA). As a I said before we can fill planes, we just not attracting fares and consumers wiling to spend some dollars. Our down P&W 320's aren't the issue it's the guys and hedquarters and eveerything we been doing except everything we should have been doing.

Tranquility

Fornaro seemed to find the sweet spot between high margins and reliability. I despised two-scoops time here mainly because that was in the heat of C2018 negotiations and they wrongfully sued us, but we were handsomely profitable and in 2018 we scored #4 for the full year A-14. Not a bad turnaround from the Baldanza days....

Then Nashville Teddy took over.... 🙄

sioux8ships

Yep, BF definitely did a good job producing a reliable mostly on time product. He also decreased our customer complaints by a large margin.

Teddy undid all that and then some. That’s what happens when a bean counter runs an airline(vs an operations guy like Bob) and fails to invest in infrastructure.

demonrat

All this...

Noisecanceller

More clearly:

We are furloughing because of P&W.

We are going bankrupt and possibly out of business because of bad management

APCHCLIMB

Let me see if I get this correct. United took that turd ExCargodawg, but not Halon? That’s some ****. 💩