TallyTarget64

you didn’t hear about the big changes? They got rid of cancellation fees! The airline is saved

Tailwindsareamyth

razor thin yet enough money to build a giant HQ and give the c suite raises. I get some raises but think CEO should be merit/reward based and nothing done recently warrants a reward

sioux8ships

Planes would be falling out of the sky if we performed as poorly as they(Ted and the gang) have the past 4-5 years.

But hey, at least their 30%raise keeps up with inflation!

CatPilot1

They seem to be defying ‘bankruptcy is certain, Spirit is done’ mantra so maybe they’re earning their pay raise? If they’re steering this ship successfully in a direction that avoids a pilot from recycling their seniority list at another carrier, pay them. Look at Southwest, they just employed a poison pill; great company but in trouble too. Spirit poison pilled at the start of Covid. Relax. If you’re DFW based, go to American. To leave a dumpster to be at the bottom of another dumpster is funny; and then to be waitlisted from the bottom the ‘new’ dumpster is hilarious.

8JRMfortheyear

catpie,

you're funny

Macjet

I bet those American guys are so sick of their base reductions, displacements, base closing, and WARN letters. I'm shocked more AA guys aren't applying to NK.

SSlow

IMO anyone in the top half of NK's seniority list would be kind of crazy to start over at AA. UA or DL would be much more solid options, but AA? My bet is that they end up falling behind the other legacies quite significantly over the next 10-20 years.

Their pilot group is way too divided, APA sucks, and much like Spirit they have become the "second chance" airline of the legacies by hiring/flowing pilots who traditionally never would have made it to a legacy. Nothing against those pilots, but there will definitely be side effects felt from that later on down the road.

Lots of "well it's better than Envoy/PSA/GoJet" types over there.

In fact AA and NK merging would be kind of fitting...we could be a large b-scale legacy combining our bites of the apple mentality with their 16 different bitter and PO'd pilot groups.

Judge Smails

Lol I don't know if you're trolling or serious. This airline is in a metric f*ckton of trouble. Yes, we haven't filed bankruptcy yet, but that's because they're still trying to refinance the $2 billion in debt due next year. Hate to break it to you, but the odds of that happening are slim to none at this point. They still aren't cash flow positive, and I doubt the new 'plan' is going to sway the banks. Scott Haralson leaving for Hertz was not a good look. If they fail at renegotiating this debt, bankruptcy WILL happen....not maybe, not possibly...but certainly. We are the most leveraged airline in the country by a WIDE margin.

You trashing somebody for leaving here to go to AA or any other airline just makes you look like you have your head deeply buried in the sand.

Judge Smails

I'll second what Macjet said in a previous post...how many pilots have left AA to come to Spirit? ...and the "much like Spirit they have become the "second chance" airline of the legacies by hiring/flowing pilots who traditionally never would have made it to a legacy" quote is absurd. Tell that to the retired Air Force, Navy and Marine pilots that go there in droves, and go check out Instagram and Tik Tok to see some of the quality DAL and UA hires.

SSlow

Yes, highly qualified applicants do go to AA, but that still doesn't change the fact that the barrier to entry at AA has in recent years been lower than the other legacies. I mean come on man, Mesa had a junior captain taxi into a 757 and cause seven figures worth of damage. During the FAA audit it was found that he wasn't even qualified to be a captain to begin with, and even with all of that the guy quit and still managed to get hired at PSA with the flow thru.

Also, their pilot group is severely disfunctional.

As far as AA pilots coming to Spirit? Of course not, but that doesn't mean AA is head and shoulders above everyone else.

Not trying to start a fight, but I know quite a few south florida based pilots who during this last hiring boom chose to commute to DL/UA over driving to AA in Miami.