Question from a career changer
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 894
Everything happens for a reason. I will get to it asap and do my best to jump start it.
They were very fast with emailing back. I will have a phone call conversation with them on Tuesday at 11 so they can answer my questions.
I look forward to it. This might be it. That post you had linked is old, but there were some guys saying there is a contract obligation which would really slow me down I guess. one mentioned airliners will see you as high risk and won't wanna hire you as well. Don't know the truth to that.
Hey, it's turbine time though
They were very fast with emailing back. I will have a phone call conversation with them on Tuesday at 11 so they can answer my questions.
I look forward to it. This might be it. That post you had linked is old, but there were some guys saying there is a contract obligation which would really slow me down I guess. one mentioned airliners will see you as high risk and won't wanna hire you as well. Don't know the truth to that.
Hey, it's turbine time though
I wouldn’t give any of that ANY weight. The post Covid hiring environment is something like we haven’t seen since the 60s. People with 1500hrs and wet ATPs are getting multiple offers from major airlines. I can’t say a single engine turbine float pilot will get multiple offers in a year or two but I know we are hiring those guys now without question. We are hiring piston CFIs. I’d rather fly with a guy that’s been back in forth to the Bahamas in SFL weather than a CFI. I also know as soon as you complete the Spirit training with a new A320 type you are marketable anywhere and getting stuck here isn’t the same as getting stuck at a regional.
All of this info is today and things change fast which is why the advice to move fast. The hiring numbers are staggering. It’s a bit frustrating for some of us too bc many of us are waiting to see if this merger gets approved before deciding to cut bait and move on. Problem is while we wait someone else is getting hired and getting senior to us somewhere else, as well as most likely younger. It’s a painful waiting game. Imo if the merger doesn’t get approved this place will go to hell under Frontier or we will shrink to death on our own as everyone floods out the door.
#32
All of this info is today and things change fast which is why the advice to move fast. The hiring numbers are staggering. It’s a bit frustrating for some of us too bc many of us are waiting to see if this merger gets approved before deciding to cut bait and move on. Problem is while we wait someone else is getting hired and getting senior to us somewhere else, as well as most likely younger. It’s a painful waiting game. Imo if the merger doesn’t get approved this place will go to hell under Frontier or we will shrink to death on our own as everyone floods out the door.
#33
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 894
YOU may be waiting for the merger decision to decide what to do with your career (Which by the way is a stupid thing to do. if you want to go, go now) but to state that many people here are doing the same thing is disingenuous. The overwhelming majority of this airline was hired long before any merger was on the table, and those that stayed didn’t do so out of hopes they would one day work for F9 or B6. The only painful part of the waiting game came from a crappy TA to bridge us between a JCBA or going back to our own negotiations. Most pilots at Spirit are here because they want to be here. If the B6 merger is shot down, a subsequent F9 merger is extremely unlikely. Also unlikely is a flood, exodus, or whatever superfluous analogy you want to use for people leaving. Some pilots will leave, most will stay, yellow planes still fly.
#34
I wouldn’t give any of that ANY weight. The post Covid hiring environment is something like we haven’t seen since the 60s. People with 1500hrs and wet ATPs are getting multiple offers from major airlines. I can’t say a single engine turbine float pilot will get multiple offers in a year or two but I know we are hiring those guys now without question. We are hiring piston CFIs. I’d rather fly with a guy that’s been back in forth to the Bahamas in SFL weather than a CFI. I also know as soon as you complete the Spirit training with a new A320 type you are marketable anywhere and getting stuck here isn’t the same as getting stuck at a regional.
All of this info is today and things change fast which is why the advice to move fast. The hiring numbers are staggering. It’s a bit frustrating for some of us too bc many of us are waiting to see if this merger gets approved before deciding to cut bait and move on. Problem is while we wait someone else is getting hired and getting senior to us somewhere else, as well as most likely younger. It’s a painful waiting game. Imo if the merger doesn’t get approved this place will go to hell under Frontier or we will shrink to death on our own as everyone floods out the door.
All of this info is today and things change fast which is why the advice to move fast. The hiring numbers are staggering. It’s a bit frustrating for some of us too bc many of us are waiting to see if this merger gets approved before deciding to cut bait and move on. Problem is while we wait someone else is getting hired and getting senior to us somewhere else, as well as most likely younger. It’s a painful waiting game. Imo if the merger doesn’t get approved this place will go to hell under Frontier or we will shrink to death on our own as everyone floods out the door.
I will then get on with Tropic Ocean and start to build time. I do have to see if they require contracts or something. I'm a very hard worker, I believe it will work out.
I did fly glass for a while before my flight review expired in 14 and I haven't flown since, and my last stuff with IFR was on steam gauges and VOR needles back in 2009. I have minimal GPS IFR experience. Maybe 4-5 apporoaches.
I got alot of studying to do to refresh my memory.
I flew with paper. ipads weren't even allowed to be used back then. I believe it will be easier now. that G1000 when I used it made flying so easy.
#35
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 894
I am on it. I work this weekend and family and I going to disney Monday. Come tuesday, I am meeting with the CFI who will get me through my CSEL/CMEL and get me current and I will get to studying and get proficient in IFR. I believe by November I will have CMEL/CSEL done. I'll go get my water landing stuff and I do need high performance (I have complex already).
I will then get on with Tropic Ocean and start to build time. I do have to see if they require contracts or something. I'm a very hard worker, I believe it will work out.
I did fly glass for a while before my flight review expired in 14 and I haven't flown since, and my last stuff with IFR was on steam gauges and VOR needles back in 2009. I have minimal GPS IFR experience. Maybe 4-5 apporoaches.
I got alot of studying to do to refresh my memory.
I flew with paper. ipads weren't even allowed to be used back then. I believe it will be easier now. that G1000 when I used it made flying so easy.
I will then get on with Tropic Ocean and start to build time. I do have to see if they require contracts or something. I'm a very hard worker, I believe it will work out.
I did fly glass for a while before my flight review expired in 14 and I haven't flown since, and my last stuff with IFR was on steam gauges and VOR needles back in 2009. I have minimal GPS IFR experience. Maybe 4-5 apporoaches.
I got alot of studying to do to refresh my memory.
I flew with paper. ipads weren't even allowed to be used back then. I believe it will be easier now. that G1000 when I used it made flying so easy.
#36
I can almost guarantee I was hired before you and I agree however the events of the moment will have great influence on our collective futures. And while I did t get started here to work at JetBlue, the other two options are pretty aweful. This management is clearly done running this company and it shows. I also have lost confidence that the ULCC model can grown further in the US. Many will leave and we will shrink to profitability is my prediction if the merger isn’t approved
#37
If I make about 500-600 hours a year It's going to take some time. I'm worried I fall behind the "curve" that we talked about. I don't think I'll make 20 hours a week. I don't know.
What is the salary for FO/CA
How many hours will I be able to make
Do I have a contract?
What are some other duties besides flying
What is the hiring process like
what is the day of a life of a seaplane pilot there
what is the environment like
What kind of schedule
121 jumpseat?
Logging? Log sic?
#38
I can almost guarantee I was hired before you and I agree however the events of the moment will have great influence on our collective futures. And while I did t get started here to work at JetBlue, the other two options are pretty aweful. This management is clearly done running this company and it shows. I also have lost confidence that the ULCC model can grown further in the US. Many will leave and we will shrink to profitability is my prediction if the merger isn’t approved
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If you’re single digits in system seniority and just now questioning the ULCC model and anguishing over a merger approval to finally decide on a late career hop to a legacy I formally call BS
#39
I sent you a PM..
#40
The time to have this epiphany was 2014. Given the amount of people younger than you hired since 2014, the hiring wave as a motivator is specious in present circumstances. I would personally complete the LEO pension, then go play airline pilot as a second payer career. Now, if your PD pension plan is non-competitive (at least 50%-75% immediate), or you're simply that miserable in your vocation that it's destroying your home life, then I guess it's a push. Good luck to ya.
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