Delta V Spirit
09-06-2023, 08:37 PM
#81
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Last few years I’ve flown with a couple dozen 135 new hire pilots. We chat a lot about their experiences good and bad from that world, and what they love and don’t like so much about 121. All of them have been great people to fly with so far. Never once has any of them made comment about how that 135 flying was more challenging and required a higher degree of skill, it’s just different.
Quite a few of them however talk about flying with guys like you who say things like this. And now I get it.
Quite a few of them however talk about flying with guys like you who say things like this. And now I get it.
Not all 135s do the same flying
And you got to re read man, if I thought 121 sucked I wouldn’t be getting into, but I sure as hell am not getting into it for the flying as much as the benefits
09-07-2023, 07:29 AM
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I’m a <1hr flight from a place DAL UAL AA and Spirit have bases, no way would I live in base, seems all the bases are in unfortunate cities
But to my question why?
I get delta is the kool kid on the block, it’s still early but I still have hear back from them and just hearing their policy on wearing their silly steam boat captain/railroad cap it somewhat put me off as to what working for them must be like
But I’m new to all this and would be interested in the WHY for that statement
Thanks guys
But to my question why?
I get delta is the kool kid on the block, it’s still early but I still have hear back from them and just hearing their policy on wearing their silly steam boat captain/railroad cap it somewhat put me off as to what working for them must be like
But I’m new to all this and would be interested in the WHY for that statement
Thanks guys
09-07-2023, 07:35 AM
#83
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You, are almost guaranteed to fail your first 121 with that attitude. Don’t believe me, keep on keeping on with that charade. You won’t get far in 121.
09-07-2023, 08:19 AM
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09-07-2023, 08:38 AM
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Anyone who doesn’t gargle the balls of 121 flying must have a “attitude”? Please
I will give it to you guys, it’s not just 121 but jet pilots in general, they are a very fragile and entitled breed, say something as factual and benign as “you guys sit way up there in cruise a lot” and they come unglued
Normally it ranges from
“You couldn’t hack it” which is funny because sitting in cruise has never been difficult for anyone, the majority of the flying is IFR AP on sitting well above the weather occasionally changing frequencies or adding a way point, which I could get a student pilot to do
“You have a attitude” this is a crowd favorite because it’s subjective, but also a lazy comment, but seeing many of the guts on jet guys guess that makes sense
Sorry I’m not worshipping the sacred cow of 121 / jet flying being some god like activity, frankly if it wasn’t for the benefits I wouldn’t even debate it, and there’s a yuuuge difference between what I’d say here and what I’d say to HR, which is the same for nearly all of you, as their lawsuit has proven
09-07-2023, 09:30 AM
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Anyone who doesn’t gargle the balls of 121 flying must have a “attitude”? Please
I will give it to you guys, it’s not just 121 but jet pilots in general, they are a very fragile and entitled breed, say something as factual and benign as “you guys sit way up there in cruise a lot” and they come unglued
Normally it ranges from
“You couldn’t hack it” which is funny because sitting in cruise has never been difficult for anyone, the majority of the flying is IFR AP on sitting well above the weather occasionally changing frequencies or adding a way point, which I could get a student pilot to do
“You have a attitude” this is a crowd favorite because it’s subjective, but also a lazy comment, but seeing many of the guts on jet guys guess that makes sense
Sorry I’m not worshipping the sacred cow of 121 / jet flying being some god like activity, frankly if it wasn’t for the benefits I wouldn’t even debate it, and there’s a yuuuge difference between what I’d say here and what I’d say to HR, which is the same for nearly all of you, as their lawsuit has proven
I will give it to you guys, it’s not just 121 but jet pilots in general, they are a very fragile and entitled breed, say something as factual and benign as “you guys sit way up there in cruise a lot” and they come unglued
Normally it ranges from
“You couldn’t hack it” which is funny because sitting in cruise has never been difficult for anyone, the majority of the flying is IFR AP on sitting well above the weather occasionally changing frequencies or adding a way point, which I could get a student pilot to do
“You have a attitude” this is a crowd favorite because it’s subjective, but also a lazy comment, but seeing many of the guts on jet guys guess that makes sense
Sorry I’m not worshipping the sacred cow of 121 / jet flying being some god like activity, frankly if it wasn’t for the benefits I wouldn’t even debate it, and there’s a yuuuge difference between what I’d say here and what I’d say to HR, which is the same for nearly all of you, as their lawsuit has proven
Every other phase of flight is higher workload. Especially during pre boarding, boarding, pushback, taxi out, pre takeoff, climb out. That is where it’s gonna be very different for you because there’s a gazillion procedures you will have to learn the way the company wants you to know it. You won’t be doing it the way you did it in 135/91 land. You will be doing it the way UAL, DL, NK, AAL, SWA, etc. etc. etc. etc (whichever company decides you’re worth taking a risk on and are still teachable) wants you to do it.
I’ve seen cases like you 135/91 guys who have “loads of experience” in that realm of aviation that can’t hack it in 121 training and are asked to leave. It’s not an experience issue. It’s an attitudinal/adjustment issue. And it’s more common than you think. Not saying 135/91 is useless. Not saying 121 flying is better. Just simply trying to break it down for you hoss, that it’s very different. You will need to adapt and come in with an open mind. That is all.
09-07-2023, 09:43 AM
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As an NK (MK?) guy, I'm not worried one bit about having this guy next to me in the right seat. Because I don't believe he exists. Every post is contradictory to the last one, obviously designed to rile up those who can't spot a troll.
Nevadajack is basically just "meow-ing" on APC.
I'm quite entertained, thank you NevadaJack, TFAYD.
Nevadajack is basically just "meow-ing" on APC.
I'm quite entertained, thank you NevadaJack, TFAYD.
09-07-2023, 01:36 PM
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I think you and I can both agree that “cruising way up in the flight levels” is the lowest workload phase of flight, no matter if it’s 121/135/91. But I think you’re missing the point here.
Every other phase of flight is higher workload. Especially during pre boarding, boarding, pushback, taxi out, pre takeoff, climb out. That is where it’s gonna be very different for you because there’s a gazillion procedures you will have to learn the way the company wants you to know it. You won’t be doing it the way you did it in 135/91 land. You will be doing it the way UAL, DL, NK, AAL, SWA, etc. etc. etc. etc (whichever company decides you’re worth taking a risk on and are still teachable) wants you to do it.
I’ve seen cases like you 135/91 guys who have “loads of experience” in that realm of aviation that can’t hack it in 121 training and are asked to leave. It’s not an experience issue. It’s an attitudinal/adjustment issue. And it’s more common than you think. Not saying 135/91 is useless. Not saying 121 flying is better. Just simply trying to break it down for you hoss, that it’s very different. You will need to adapt and come in with an open mind. That is all.
Every other phase of flight is higher workload. Especially during pre boarding, boarding, pushback, taxi out, pre takeoff, climb out. That is where it’s gonna be very different for you because there’s a gazillion procedures you will have to learn the way the company wants you to know it. You won’t be doing it the way you did it in 135/91 land. You will be doing it the way UAL, DL, NK, AAL, SWA, etc. etc. etc. etc (whichever company decides you’re worth taking a risk on and are still teachable) wants you to do it.
I’ve seen cases like you 135/91 guys who have “loads of experience” in that realm of aviation that can’t hack it in 121 training and are asked to leave. It’s not an experience issue. It’s an attitudinal/adjustment issue. And it’s more common than you think. Not saying 135/91 is useless. Not saying 121 flying is better. Just simply trying to break it down for you hoss, that it’s very different. You will need to adapt and come in with an open mind. That is all.
That’s any operation
No two 135s or 91s work the same, everyone has their SOPs and all
09-07-2023, 01:47 PM
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Make sure to mention your opinion on hats and Delta’s “log up the a$$” mentality when you inevitably get an interview there. That coupled with your skills should basically guarantee a CJO! Can’t wait to learn from and fly with you!
09-07-2023, 02:40 PM
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He’ll be chief pilot on day one, straight outta the gate.
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