Delta V Spirit
09-05-2023, 08:52 AM
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There is no “culture” in a public traded company, especially in one that needs a workers union, they are not your family, I could give crap about their rankings, “being number 1” I don’t give a ****, having flown on most airlines as pax it’s been a race to the bottom with all of them, so the self inflated price is kinda chuckle worthy…this is a job, I want the most amount of money and the most amount of time off for the best QOL
As far as identify as a pilot, I don’t identify as anything, I am a aviator, I eat sleep and breath flying, which is one of the reasons despite my thousands and thousands of hours I’ve stayed away from 121, compared to other areas in the industry it’s not really as much about real flying as 121 seems to be more about cosplay and purse swinging, if I could have the same pay and retirement flying floats I would in a heart beat, alas 121 does pay the best with a good retirement, so that’s why I am here
Also if you’re strapped into a 9K or DAL you are a civilian chief
Not sure how 121 pilots are, but me and the folks I hang around with, when we go to work we go to do work, if it’s safe legal and prudent we launch 100% And we don’t even have to cosplay military to do it lol
As far as identify as a pilot, I don’t identify as anything, I am a aviator, I eat sleep and breath flying, which is one of the reasons despite my thousands and thousands of hours I’ve stayed away from 121, compared to other areas in the industry it’s not really as much about real flying as 121 seems to be more about cosplay and purse swinging, if I could have the same pay and retirement flying floats I would in a heart beat, alas 121 does pay the best with a good retirement, so that’s why I am here
Also if you’re strapped into a 9K or DAL you are a civilian chief
Not sure how 121 pilots are, but me and the folks I hang around with, when we go to work we go to do work, if it’s safe legal and prudent we launch 100% And we don’t even have to cosplay military to do it lol
All the other stuff you said here, it's just totally wrong. I'm not upset or anything. I don't have a horse in this race. But you'll find out when you're in the 121 world that each company is different and has its own pilot culture. I do believe they're more similar than people like to think, but they are definitely still different (Delta doesn't "cosplay," they have a lot of ex-military guys who have influenced the culture there).
09-05-2023, 09:16 AM
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That’s basically what I’m looking for, so why so many jumping ship?[/QUOTE]
I can’t speak for everyone’s reason for bailing NK for a legacy, but I can give you mine and assume it’s fairly similar to others.
I was on property for about 4 months when Covid kicked off. I was very envious of my friends at legacies. I knew that once the whole thing moved on there would still be AA, UA, DL. I could not say in confidence that there would be a NK anymore. I have two young kids, so career job security was a big one in my decision making. I have over 2000 below me at one of the largest airlines on the planet with 33 years left and massive retirements. So unless there’s another crazy black swan event here shortly, I will very hopefully always be able to support my family because I never see AA being dissolved. Especially now with our new LTD it gives me great ease of mind, which was my #1 factor.
I also fell into the “ego” trap of wanting to move to the legacy over LCC. Most people get into this dreaming of flying for XYZ legacy, few dream of flying yellow AB to Vegas. Hindsight that was a poor reason. I do the exact same thing at AA just with worse work rules now.
Career earnings and the potential of doing WB flying someday. You will make more in your career at a legacy, but also work more.
The F9 B6 deals was what really pushed me. I had no desire to work for F9, and B6 would have been a pita because of where I live. So whichever way that scenario went it wouldn’t have been good for myself and my family. Had NK said we are staying NK I still very well may have been there. Still the best company I have ever worked for.
I believe you’re catching a lot of heat on this forum because of your “sky god” attitude. You’re telling people that their 15,000 hours of 121 isn’t worth crap, while your 5,000 hours is gold. How tf do you know that? You’ve never done 121. Sure it’s not hand flying at night with a radial rmi down to mins in ice while on fire, but it has its own set of unique challenges. I bet you right now if you were thrown into the left seat with multiple mel’s, bad weather requiring multiple alternates, a pax disturbance, you are tight on your commute, and a FA who was just reassigned to your flight going into a day off you would not be able to get that flight LEGALLY off the gate.
So if you want to fly brand new airplanes with great crews with great qol and good pay, then NK is the place for you. But maybe cool the sky god attitude a bit before you get there. Go in excited to learn what 121 is about and add those skills to your already unique aviation skills.
good luck
I can’t speak for everyone’s reason for bailing NK for a legacy, but I can give you mine and assume it’s fairly similar to others.
I was on property for about 4 months when Covid kicked off. I was very envious of my friends at legacies. I knew that once the whole thing moved on there would still be AA, UA, DL. I could not say in confidence that there would be a NK anymore. I have two young kids, so career job security was a big one in my decision making. I have over 2000 below me at one of the largest airlines on the planet with 33 years left and massive retirements. So unless there’s another crazy black swan event here shortly, I will very hopefully always be able to support my family because I never see AA being dissolved. Especially now with our new LTD it gives me great ease of mind, which was my #1 factor.
I also fell into the “ego” trap of wanting to move to the legacy over LCC. Most people get into this dreaming of flying for XYZ legacy, few dream of flying yellow AB to Vegas. Hindsight that was a poor reason. I do the exact same thing at AA just with worse work rules now.
Career earnings and the potential of doing WB flying someday. You will make more in your career at a legacy, but also work more.
The F9 B6 deals was what really pushed me. I had no desire to work for F9, and B6 would have been a pita because of where I live. So whichever way that scenario went it wouldn’t have been good for myself and my family. Had NK said we are staying NK I still very well may have been there. Still the best company I have ever worked for.
I believe you’re catching a lot of heat on this forum because of your “sky god” attitude. You’re telling people that their 15,000 hours of 121 isn’t worth crap, while your 5,000 hours is gold. How tf do you know that? You’ve never done 121. Sure it’s not hand flying at night with a radial rmi down to mins in ice while on fire, but it has its own set of unique challenges. I bet you right now if you were thrown into the left seat with multiple mel’s, bad weather requiring multiple alternates, a pax disturbance, you are tight on your commute, and a FA who was just reassigned to your flight going into a day off you would not be able to get that flight LEGALLY off the gate.
So if you want to fly brand new airplanes with great crews with great qol and good pay, then NK is the place for you. But maybe cool the sky god attitude a bit before you get there. Go in excited to learn what 121 is about and add those skills to your already unique aviation skills.
good luck
09-05-2023, 09:19 AM
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Lol, you don’t know what you don’t know bud
Also seems lots of current spirit pilots are waiting for a call, I got zip 121 time have only apps out for a couple months, got interview invites from a few of the smaller ones including spirit, waiting on the big 3, ether way I ain’t sweating it, even with my current position life’s pretty good, home almost every night and I’m friends with everyone from the line guys to the owner.
Swing that purse harder daddy lol
09-05-2023, 09:36 AM
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09-05-2023, 09:50 AM
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I’d like to agree with my compatriots here that Spirit is not right for you, and I’d like to suggest that Delta is also not the right fit for you either. Based off a cursory review I would have to say…Mesa? GoJet? Those might be more your speed
09-05-2023, 10:28 AM
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Lol, you don’t know what you don’t know bud
Also seems lots of current spirit pilots are waiting for a call, I got zip 121 time have only apps out for a couple months, got interview invites from a few of the smaller ones including spirit, waiting on the big 3, ether way I ain’t sweating it, even with my current position life’s pretty good, home almost every night and I’m friends with everyone from the line guys to the owner.
Swing that purse harder daddy lol
Also seems lots of current spirit pilots are waiting for a call, I got zip 121 time have only apps out for a couple months, got interview invites from a few of the smaller ones including spirit, waiting on the big 3, ether way I ain’t sweating it, even with my current position life’s pretty good, home almost every night and I’m friends with everyone from the line guys to the owner.
Swing that purse harder daddy lol
09-05-2023, 10:45 AM
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That’s basically what I’m looking for, so why so many jumping ship?
I can’t speak for everyone’s reason for bailing NK for a legacy, but I can give you mine and assume it’s fairly similar to others.
I was on property for about 4 months when Covid kicked off. I was very envious of my friends at legacies. I knew that once the whole thing moved on there would still be AA, UA, DL. I could not say in confidence that there would be a NK anymore. I have two young kids, so career job security was a big one in my decision making. I have over 2000 below me at one of the largest airlines on the planet with 33 years left and massive retirements. So unless there’s another crazy black swan event here shortly, I will very hopefully always be able to support my family because I never see AA being dissolved. Especially now with our new LTD it gives me great ease of mind, which was my #1 factor.
I also fell into the “ego” trap of wanting to move to the legacy over LCC. Most people get into this dreaming of flying for XYZ legacy, few dream of flying yellow AB to Vegas. Hindsight that was a poor reason. I do the exact same thing at AA just with worse work rules now.
Career earnings and the potential of doing WB flying someday. You will make more in your career at a legacy, but also work more.
The F9 B6 deals was what really pushed me. I had no desire to work for F9, and B6 would have been a pita because of where I live. So whichever way that scenario went it wouldn’t have been good for myself and my family. Had NK said we are staying NK I still very well may have been there. Still the best company I have ever worked for.
I believe you’re catching a lot of heat on this forum because of your “sky god” attitude. You’re telling people that their 15,000 hours of 121 isn’t worth crap, while your 5,000 hours is gold. How tf do you know that? You’ve never done 121. Sure it’s not hand flying at night with a radial rmi down to mins in ice while on fire, but it has its own set of unique challenges. I bet you right now if you were thrown into the left seat with multiple mel’s, bad weather requiring multiple alternates, a pax disturbance, you are tight on your commute, and a FA who was just reassigned to your flight going into a day off you would not be able to get that flight LEGALLY off the gate.
So if you want to fly brand new airplanes with great crews with great qol and good pay, then NK is the place for you. But maybe cool the sky god attitude a bit before you get there. Go in excited to learn what 121 is about and add those skills to your already unique aviation skills.
good luck
I can’t speak for everyone’s reason for bailing NK for a legacy, but I can give you mine and assume it’s fairly similar to others.
I was on property for about 4 months when Covid kicked off. I was very envious of my friends at legacies. I knew that once the whole thing moved on there would still be AA, UA, DL. I could not say in confidence that there would be a NK anymore. I have two young kids, so career job security was a big one in my decision making. I have over 2000 below me at one of the largest airlines on the planet with 33 years left and massive retirements. So unless there’s another crazy black swan event here shortly, I will very hopefully always be able to support my family because I never see AA being dissolved. Especially now with our new LTD it gives me great ease of mind, which was my #1 factor.
I also fell into the “ego” trap of wanting to move to the legacy over LCC. Most people get into this dreaming of flying for XYZ legacy, few dream of flying yellow AB to Vegas. Hindsight that was a poor reason. I do the exact same thing at AA just with worse work rules now.
Career earnings and the potential of doing WB flying someday. You will make more in your career at a legacy, but also work more.
The F9 B6 deals was what really pushed me. I had no desire to work for F9, and B6 would have been a pita because of where I live. So whichever way that scenario went it wouldn’t have been good for myself and my family. Had NK said we are staying NK I still very well may have been there. Still the best company I have ever worked for.
I believe you’re catching a lot of heat on this forum because of your “sky god” attitude. You’re telling people that their 15,000 hours of 121 isn’t worth crap, while your 5,000 hours is gold. How tf do you know that? You’ve never done 121. Sure it’s not hand flying at night with a radial rmi down to mins in ice while on fire, but it has its own set of unique challenges. I bet you right now if you were thrown into the left seat with multiple mel’s, bad weather requiring multiple alternates, a pax disturbance, you are tight on your commute, and a FA who was just reassigned to your flight going into a day off you would not be able to get that flight LEGALLY off the gate.
So if you want to fly brand new airplanes with great crews with great qol and good pay, then NK is the place for you. But maybe cool the sky god attitude a bit before you get there. Go in excited to learn what 121 is about and add those skills to your already unique aviation skills.
good luck
Do you really think spirit would go bye bye or just get get merged into another airline like virgin and other have?
09-05-2023, 10:47 AM
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Hard to say without knowing what city you're commuting to. Are you talking about NYC where you'd have to commute and then cover three airports at Delta? What's the relative seniority at that base? Delta and Spirit both have fairly bleak seniority outlooks, but generally, I'd say Delta.
All the other stuff you said here, it's just totally wrong. I'm not upset or anything. I don't have a horse in this race. But you'll find out when you're in the 121 world that each company is different and has its own pilot culture. I do believe they're more similar than people like to think, but they are definitely still different (Delta doesn't "cosplay," they have a lot of ex-military guys who have influenced the culture there).
All the other stuff you said here, it's just totally wrong. I'm not upset or anything. I don't have a horse in this race. But you'll find out when you're in the 121 world that each company is different and has its own pilot culture. I do believe they're more similar than people like to think, but they are definitely still different (Delta doesn't "cosplay," they have a lot of ex-military guys who have influenced the culture there).
If I was targeting Detroit or Chicago area?
Thanks
09-05-2023, 10:56 AM
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