afterburn81

Not challenging what you know / heard but I can only go on what I see. Playing the politics card is simply opinion. In which you are certainly entitled too. Im glad we all get to have one. Seriously though, what do you have that is fact based and shows that JBU has made good on all points to satisfy the complaint by the DOJ? I’m sincerely curious. Couldn’t find much but speculation and people throwing around 5th hand information.

Tranquility

Go to American. Miami is junior and you have the option of widebody flying there as well….

Bluedriver

On the one hand you say the DOJ doesn't allow mergers to happen, but your initial post said that the government settled with virtually all previous airline mergers prior to court date. Maybe I'm missing something, but I think you are only able to see one side of the coin here.

JB has made significant divesture commitments, and is proposing to merge and become the FIFTH largest airline in the country. The government has previously settled prior to court to allow the LARGEST airline in the world. And the number 2 and 3. In your own post you stated that the government has previously settled prior to court nearly every proposed airline merger in recent history. The fact that the government will not settle this one, which will create a very small company relatively speaking, really does show how political this is.

You have been opposed to this merger from the beginning, correct me if I'm wrong. So you see ulterior motives on the part of JB, which most others simply do not see.

afterburn81

Me thinks you read that wrong. I’m saying that it’s not the DOJs call. They cannot “approve” nor “deny” a merger. The only reason I say that is because people are posting as if they CAN. In which they CANNOT. Make sense?

I’m opposed to simple pilots that don’t live in the world of the 2%, who have something to lose when a case like this is on the line. I support law enforcement all around and don’t play the “they’re just biased against whatever it is that threatens my goals in life” card. Whoever it be that wants to merge, it’s not about me, it’s about the bigger picture. As simple as that.

Excargodog

Just because someone’s paranoid doesn’t mean that someone ISN’T out to get them.

But you are correct about this being about the judge. And if the Supreme Court actually does reverse it’s precedent if Chevron Deference, perhaps we can rein in some of the stupid things alphabet agencies have been doing for decades now,

Bluedriver

YOU said the DOJ sued to block all those previous mergers, but SETTLED prior to the court hearings. So they DID approve those mergers, via a settlement. They settled virtually ALL of them. Yet they aren't settling this one.

I honestly enjoy intelligent debates, but you can't even seem to make sense of your own posts, within your own posts. This DOJ opposition is far more fierce than in previous airline mergers, even though this merger is far less consequential. It is CLEARLY political and ideological. Not in the fact that they brought the case in the first place, that is expected. But in the fact that not only have they not settled, but have openly said they will not settle, that there is no divesture that would make them settle this merger, even though this merger COMBINED will create a small player among giants.

Bluedriver

He's NOT correct that this comes down to the judge. Maybe in this case it will, but by his own admission the DOJ itself has settled nearly all previous mergers PRIOR to the court hearings. If it comes down to the judge in this case, it's only because the DOJ refused to settle, for what is clearly political/ideological reasons.

He can't have it both ways.

BananaHammock

B6 MCO Airbus used to be 7 years, guy from my alma mater is holding it now in 2 years, so no one really knows what it will look like

Bgood

100% change as in expand more than Nk+B6 current presence? If the merger goes through, B6 has contracts to honor with FL government. The plan is to grow FLL to 250 departure per day and MCO to 200 departures per day. That's more than what NK and B6 fly outta those bases today. We currently have 65 departures daily (I believe we use to have a little more before they cut it back). Add that to NKs departures and you can see how many more departures will be added over the years, by 2027

Also, the last annual bid made both of those bases more junior. FLL is already in newhire classes because of it. So I wouldn't say it will be senior, far from it.

todd1200

The DOJ can chose not to sue to block the merger. Like you don’t technically approve your neighbor’s new fence, but you can decide not take them to court over it.

The tweet from MSG a few pages ago in this thread (post #352), shows how politically motivated this case is. If politicians actually meant what they are saying, they’d be trying to break up the #1, 2 and 3 airlines that already dominate the industry.