JetBlue merger
10-16-2023, 09:35 PM
#321
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
You’re conflating costs. AA was allowed the privilege to retire early thousands of pilots because of government money rolling in. Had that cheddar not been there, don’t think for one second they wouldn’t have furloughed thousands, and their current cost structure (minus lots of senior widebody Captains), would be different…
10-17-2023, 03:35 AM
#322
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 161
The senior pilots here making 300K a year won't take a VIL, they'll use the scheduling opportunities it to make 500K a year. Guys like me that make 70ish hours won't take a VIL because we enjoy the schedule and the work too much to take a 30% pay cut to sit on our ever growing butts even more. Seems that the guys "stuck" with crappy lines would jump at it, but are they not the middle earners?
It's been said so many times, hire until you fire.
It's been said so many times, hire until you fire.
10-17-2023, 03:43 AM
#323
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,966
The senior pilots here making 300K a year won't take a VIL, they'll use the scheduling opportunities it to make 500K a year. Guys like me that make 70ish hours won't take a VIL because we enjoy the schedule and the work too much to take a 30% pay cut to sit on our ever growing butts even more. Seems that the guys "stuck" with crappy lines would jump at it, but are they not the middle earners?
It's been said so many times, hire until you fire.
It's been said so many times, hire until you fire.
I think you are way off. I think there are plenty of CAs, with great seniority, younger than your age group, who aren’t on their 3rd ex wife and over leveraged (not saying you are) who would love another 50 hour paid vacation.
Lots of us have kids at home and would jump
at the opportunity, again, to spend more time with the family while getting paid.
Sorry Hugh but I think you’re wrong on this one.
“I like my job so much I’ll work for 72 hours vs stay home for 50”. So you want to fly 72 for 22 hours pay? Haha. Come on man
10-17-2023, 03:50 AM
#324
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 161
I think you are way off. I think there are plenty of CAs, with great seniority, younger than your age group, who aren’t on their 3rd ex wife and over leveraged (not saying you are) who would love another 50 hour paid vacation.
Lots of us have kids at home and would jump
at the opportunity, again, to spend more time with the family while getting paid.
Sorry Hugh but I think you’re wrong on this one.
“I like my job so much I’ll work for 72 hours vs stay home for 50”. So you want to fly 72 for 22 hours pay? Haha. Come on man
Lots of us have kids at home and would jump
at the opportunity, again, to spend more time with the family while getting paid.
Sorry Hugh but I think you’re wrong on this one.
“I like my job so much I’ll work for 72 hours vs stay home for 50”. So you want to fly 72 for 22 hours pay? Haha. Come on man
10-17-2023, 10:50 PM
#325
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,028
I think you are way off. I think there are plenty of CAs, with great seniority, younger than your age group, who aren’t on their 3rd ex wife and over leveraged (not saying you are) who would love another 50 hour paid vacation.
Lots of us have kids at home and would jump
at the opportunity, again, to spend more time with the family while getting paid.
Sorry Hugh but I think you’re wrong on this one.
“I like my job so much I’ll work for 72 hours vs stay home for 50”. So you want to fly 72 for 22 hours pay? Haha. Come on man
Lots of us have kids at home and would jump
at the opportunity, again, to spend more time with the family while getting paid.
Sorry Hugh but I think you’re wrong on this one.
“I like my job so much I’ll work for 72 hours vs stay home for 50”. So you want to fly 72 for 22 hours pay? Haha. Come on man
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
Last edited by SSlow; 10-17-2023 at 11:32 PM.
10-18-2023, 05:10 AM
#326
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 161
It's the boomer mindset
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
10-18-2023, 09:24 AM
#328
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 162
It's the boomer mindset
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
10-18-2023, 07:03 PM
#329
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 312
10-19-2023, 02:36 AM
#330
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 175
It's the boomer mindset
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
"Gotta get out threre and get after it, son"
My parents are boomers, and I love them to death, but that generation has had a lot of preconceived notions about what defines hard work and success due to following in the footsteps of the generation that fought WW2 and put a man on the moon. Working smart has never really been a thing for them, and instead it's all about "how hard did you grind" because that is all they were taught.
Hell my dad was blown away when I told him I was getting paid 72 hours/month to fly once or twice a month on reserve as the pandemic was winding down.
"That's great son, but shouldn't you be working more?"
That generation only knows one speed, which is seeing all elbows and a-holes getting work done. To them there is no other way.
Maybe the boomers notice the vapid look on one’s face and see a pasty, soft, weakling who couldn’t change a tire, build a shed or cook a meal and loose respect.
People loose faith in younger people because they look for others to do their work, play victim or are satisfied with poor results.
I’m no boomer and I see it.
You can’t work smart if you don’t know how to work hard.
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