JulesWinfield

What happened to the bites at the apple approach?

Bluedriver

You can say that, but like I said once it happened you guys would be the first to say you had the better CBA with green grid, DTZ, 4 days etc, and want to use that to your ultimate advantage. But you'll deny that, now.

It's fine. It's a message board.

CincoDeMayo

Great, which is why we have two separate MECs representing our sides interests; just as we will have two merger committees representing our interests.

But I wouldn’t assume for a second Robin cares about what’s “fair” to the JBLU pilots when he is trying to get this merger passed.

But at least you’re honest enough to show your true colors; you want NK pilots to stay at a lower rate to hopefully leverage that in the SLI, even though NK at higher rates would help push the JCBa rates higher.

Bluedriver

I don't entirely buy the higher rates argument. But you had guys here wanting to classify the E190 as a "super-small-narrowbody" and staple all the E190 JB pilots below all NK narrow body pilots. I didn't see you saying "hey let's play fair" when your own were making that suggestion.

And as I said, the moment you guys got B6 pay rates, you'd be arguing about how your overall CBA was better going into SLI for YOUR advantage. And there may even be some truth to that argument, maybe. So how about we agree that IF you get an immediate B6 rate snap-up only if B6 gets an immediate NK work rule snap-up. All or nothing, we all win or no one wins?

​​​​​​To a certain degree, we are all gonna look after our own until we are one. That's called reality. Some take it further than others. You have NK guys here that want full relative, and think that's fair no matter how it may disadvantage most of B6. You didn't tell them to "play fair". Those same guys wouldn't even discuss a blend as being fair. I'd prefer straight DOH, but have said I'm fine with a blend, because generally I don't fight so dirty, and do want something that's more fair to everyone.

Anyway, we're all just chatting, because what will be will be and our opinions won't change it.

symbian simian

So what you are saying is that aside from pay, our CBA is better. Good to see that.

(sorry, just could not resist.). I (personally) think our work rules are better, and your rates (definitely) are higher. Hopefully the good things in either CBA will end up in the JCBA.
But even if we get your pay it would be because you bought us, not because everything in our CBA was better going into integration, and it would not be an argument in seniority integration anyway. Just like future fleet plans don't count, it is the CBA we had when we started the merger is what counts for seniority integration. Nobody on our side would be stupid enough to even suggest this as an argument, so I am somewhat disappointed to see that from you.

CincoDeMayo

And there are guys at JBLU who think it should be DOH, like you, and that ain’t happening. Sorry, but DOH ain’t happening neither is relative and anyone who “suggests”‘either hasn’t read a SLI decision in the last 25 years.

But I agree we are and should be looking after our own at this point which is the exact reason our MEC is using this route. Sorry you don’t have any strings to play on your side.

Bluedriver

Maybe, but you never know with pilots. I've hardly ever seen a more selfish group in general.

Ultimately I want THE BEST for all of us in the end. But we all know we have to protect our respective groups interest until we are finally one large group.

​​​​​There are definitely some things I want to keep from your CBA, maybe a lot of things. I guess I just see that where you lack on pay and want immediate parity, we lack some in work rules and should also get immediate parity. After all, why should you get all the pay and all the work rules, before we do? Not seeing how that's reasonable.

Bluedriver

It's almost as if you didn't read the part where I said I was ok with a blend... You seem to read what you want to read and not what's really there.

Let me know how that "string" works out for ya.

Bluedriver

And that "string" you're trying to pull, could have you ending up under Frankie... Doesn't seem like a great idea.

CincoDeMayo

Sometimes you push the chips in, not cower in fear.