Survey accuracy
07-07-2023, 10:26 PM
#71
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
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Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
07-08-2023, 09:23 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 770
No doubt. And so is losing DTZ R/G 4day. it was fun while it lasted. It would have been much easier to keep without JB, but no one asked me.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
Either way it’s important to openly discuss both advantages and pitfalls of either philosophy.
07-08-2023, 10:42 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: NK CA
Posts: 856
No doubt. And so is losing DTZ R/G 4day. it was fun while it lasted. It would have been much easier to keep without JB, but no one asked me.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
07-08-2023, 11:58 AM
#74
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 896
No doubt. And so is losing DTZ R/G 4day. it was fun while it lasted. It would have been much easier to keep without JB, but no one asked me.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
Let me riddle you this though. If everything is industry standard, why does every company still have its own CBA?
If industry standard means we lose all the good stuff, but we can't get the pay, maybe industry standard isn't helping us.
Red/green is not going anywhere
07-08-2023, 01:06 PM
#75
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
07-08-2023, 01:19 PM
#76
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
Not that IN THIS ENVIRONMENT anyone ought to be giving up a single damn thing.
07-09-2023, 05:26 AM
#77
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
I can tell you we Blue shirts want Red/Green badly as well. I think it stays.
Not a fan of the way Lincoln is conducting himself or addressing the discussion. Maybe less of him?
We Blue shirts have Average Daily Guarantee AND Average Duty Period. We have both. Definitely not perfect, and frankly we need additional protections because one rig, or the other, each have their own holes. Even having them both isn't good enough.
For commutability protections, I want to see commutable trip-mix requirements in the CBA. But this next part is important because each base has very different needs and preferences... The commutability requirements should be based on an annual base by base survey. So bases with mostly locals can have their preferences met, and bases with mostly commuters (roughly half of JB's nearly 5,000 pilots) can have their preferences met.
Other than the one guy being a jerk here really enjoying the discussion and learning about your CBA. I can see where each CBA has its strengths, but still need to learn more.
Not a fan of the way Lincoln is conducting himself or addressing the discussion. Maybe less of him?
We Blue shirts have Average Daily Guarantee AND Average Duty Period. We have both. Definitely not perfect, and frankly we need additional protections because one rig, or the other, each have their own holes. Even having them both isn't good enough.
For commutability protections, I want to see commutable trip-mix requirements in the CBA. But this next part is important because each base has very different needs and preferences... The commutability requirements should be based on an annual base by base survey. So bases with mostly locals can have their preferences met, and bases with mostly commuters (roughly half of JB's nearly 5,000 pilots) can have their preferences met.
Other than the one guy being a jerk here really enjoying the discussion and learning about your CBA. I can see where each CBA has its strengths, but still need to learn more.
07-09-2023, 05:33 AM
#78
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
yes, in NB you select waive, drop-down has waive to 3,2,1 options.
no, 4 days off is for QOL not credit.
yes, my situation exactly, for home bound to weekly schedule, for commute prefer 4 days, so waive to 3.
Not waiving will mostly get you more days off in your initial award, requirements to have open time, and people using IOT for dropping will give junior people a lot of options to change their schedule in DOT.
Requirement for the company to only be able to use one number for minimum reserve required across the whole month (with the exception for a few specific days a year), with the requirement that 75% of the days need to be green, and the option to have red on red day trades gives everyone options most of the time.
No requirement to ever have a certain credit level means if you need more time off, it’s normally not that hard.
The way our premium is build and handed out means generally very good pay for very little work, most of the premium I’ve done, I will get 20 hours of pay, and as a commuter am gone from my home less than 24 hours.
Most of our rules lean towards less work, not more credit, and that is why people came to NK over SWA.
I have never done PBS at another airline, so for all I know, JB could be superior in every of these categories, and that is why we should keep comparing here, so we both figure out what we need to keep most.
no, 4 days off is for QOL not credit.
yes, my situation exactly, for home bound to weekly schedule, for commute prefer 4 days, so waive to 3.
Not waiving will mostly get you more days off in your initial award, requirements to have open time, and people using IOT for dropping will give junior people a lot of options to change their schedule in DOT.
Requirement for the company to only be able to use one number for minimum reserve required across the whole month (with the exception for a few specific days a year), with the requirement that 75% of the days need to be green, and the option to have red on red day trades gives everyone options most of the time.
No requirement to ever have a certain credit level means if you need more time off, it’s normally not that hard.
The way our premium is build and handed out means generally very good pay for very little work, most of the premium I’ve done, I will get 20 hours of pay, and as a commuter am gone from my home less than 24 hours.
Most of our rules lean towards less work, not more credit, and that is why people came to NK over SWA.
I have never done PBS at another airline, so for all I know, JB could be superior in every of these categories, and that is why we should keep comparing here, so we both figure out what we need to keep most.
Definitely need to take the best of both CBAs.
07-09-2023, 04:25 PM
#79
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: NK CA
Posts: 856
07-09-2023, 04:35 PM
#80
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
Half of JB is commuters, so you can count on some pushback to your one-size-fits-all make everything great for locals only ideas to get rightsized...
Maybe sometimes try and have a constructive discussion? I try it occasionally it seems to be useful.
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