Survey accuracy
07-11-2023, 03:59 AM
#91
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You're making a lot of noise about this, and for good reason, but I can tell you that among the NK pilot group you won't find many in favor of using negotiating capital to improve commutability. It's just not going to happen as most of our commuters are leaving or have already left for the legacies. I know from experience that the FLL and MCO domiciles are overwhelming local. We used to have quite a few commuting from ATL and IAH, and then the company magically opened domiciles in those two cities in a desperate plea to stop the bleeding.
Our company and union put out a pairings survey recently where they are least pretended to care about making better pairings, and commutability was a notable part of the survey. And if the airline wants to minimize the number of non-locals that leave the company, which they have are learning choice but to care about, they know they have to make pairings survivable for guys that don't live in base.
07-11-2023, 04:21 AM
#92
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I hear ya, and JB is closer to half and half commuters and locals. And I do believe that commutability trip-mix should be highly variable between bases, as like you said the bases have very different dynamics. I'm in favor of annual surveys, base by base, with requirements to honor each bases trip preferences.
Our company and union put out a pairings survey recently where they are least pretended to care about making better pairings, and commutability was a notable part of the survey. And if the airline wants to minimize the number of non-locals that leave the company, which they have are learning choice but to care about, they know they have to make pairings survivable for guys that don't live in base.
Our company and union put out a pairings survey recently where they are least pretended to care about making better pairings, and commutability was a notable part of the survey. And if the airline wants to minimize the number of non-locals that leave the company, which they have are learning choice but to care about, they know they have to make pairings survivable for guys that don't live in base.
07-11-2023, 05:13 AM
#93
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Agree. I think we can get much more targeted with our trip/QOL requirements, and the result will be better for the pilots, the company and recruiting/retention.
07-11-2023, 07:13 AM
#94
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I will say this: As someone that commuted for the better part of 8 years you should move to a base. Every excuse you can think of doesn’t outweigh living in base. The only good reason I might think of is a divorce and being in your kids lives requires a commute bc your good for nothing ex refuses to move.
07-11-2023, 07:27 AM
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Yes I agree. Lots of 4 and 5 day trips in a base that is mostly local is miserable. A bunch of turns and two days in a commuter heavy base equally miserable.
I will say this: As someone that commuted for the better part of 8 years you should move to a base. Every excuse you can think of doesn’t outweigh living in base. The only good reason I might think of is a divorce and being in your kids lives requires a commute bc your good for nothing ex refuses to move.
I will say this: As someone that commuted for the better part of 8 years you should move to a base. Every excuse you can think of doesn’t outweigh living in base. The only good reason I might think of is a divorce and being in your kids lives requires a commute bc your good for nothing ex refuses to move.
07-11-2023, 10:03 AM
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07-11-2023, 01:08 PM
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Yes I agree. Lots of 4 and 5 day trips in a base that is mostly local is miserable. A bunch of turns and two days in a commuter heavy base equally miserable.
I will say this: As someone that commuted for the better part of 8 years you should move to a base. Every excuse you can think of doesn’t outweigh living in base. The only good reason I might think of is a divorce and being in your kids lives requires a commute bc your good for nothing ex refuses to move.
I will say this: As someone that commuted for the better part of 8 years you should move to a base. Every excuse you can think of doesn’t outweigh living in base. The only good reason I might think of is a divorce and being in your kids lives requires a commute bc your good for nothing ex refuses to move.
07-13-2023, 04:45 AM
#99
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The other option is to really tighten up the TAFB rig. So that time away is the key driver in trip pay. That way they can't just stuff more flying into the first and last day of multi-day trips to defeat the daily rig. If they want to add more flying, it will cost them even more yet. That benefits almost all of us, as there are locals that can't hold shorter trips, or bases where they don't build shorter trips anyway.
Nothing says we can't do better than the industry standard 1 to 3.5 TAFB rig. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate, there is no merger without our JCBA blessing. A much improved TAFB rig could be a big part of driving pay and QOL increases, among many other things.
Nothing says we can't do better than the industry standard 1 to 3.5 TAFB rig. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate, there is no merger without our JCBA blessing. A much improved TAFB rig could be a big part of driving pay and QOL increases, among many other things.
07-13-2023, 06:13 AM
#100
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The other option is to really tighten up the TAFB rig. So that time away is the key driver in trip pay. That way they can't just stuff more flying into the first and last day of multi-day trips to defeat the daily rig. If they want to add more flying, it will cost them even more yet. That benefits almost all of us, as there are locals that can't hold shorter trips, or bases where they don't build shorter trips anyway.
Nothing says we can't do better than the industry standard 1 to 3.5 TAFB rig. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate, there is no merger without our JCBA blessing. A much improved TAFB rig could be a big part of driving pay and QOL increases, among many other things.
Nothing says we can't do better than the industry standard 1 to 3.5 TAFB rig. We literally hold the keys to the single operating certificate, there is no merger without our JCBA blessing. A much improved TAFB rig could be a big part of driving pay and QOL increases, among many other things.
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