Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

The issue is that there wasn't much turnover pre-covid, when all of the airplanes were ordered. They got rid of paid off 319s to lease brand new airplanes, which they can't utilize because of the churn. They were late to address attrition, and now, it is too late. They'll have a net of 22 more airplanes by the end of this year, with hefty lease payments.



Spirit has a lot of weak captains that won't follow the contract, because they don't want to be bothered to upload a receipt to concur. If it takes more than 30 minutes for transportation, get a cab. If you can't get a hold of scheduling during a meltdown, buy the crew's rooms and sort it out later. There's no reason to hang out all day at the airport because you can't be an adult.

Yes, this stuff does happen other places. Like you said, they can't fix the attrition problem, no matter how much they spend on infrastructure. Because of this, they can't fix the utilization problem, which means they can't make money.

Right out their quarterly report:

"For the second quarter 2023, we estimate our operating margin will range between 4.5 to 6.5 percent. In this demand environment, and with a declining fuel price in the second quarter of this year, the business at full utilization should be producing double digit operating margins. However, we continue to be hampered by NEO engine availability and pilot attrition issues that are preventing us from ramping up aircraft utilization. The NEO engine issues should improve as the year progresses but will likely remain a drag on utilization for the rest of the year. Also, pilot attrition levels have improved slightly from last year, but they are still volatile and they have not yet improved to the levels that we had hoped. Given these continued constraints, and our concerns about Air Traffic Control staffing, our capacity is heading towards to the lower end of our previous full year 2023 guide of 18 to 20 percent," said Scott Haralson, Spirit's Chief Financial Officer. "We expect to be profitable for the remainder of the year with margins improving each quarter. We also expect our full year CASM ex-fuel to be around 7.0 cents. CASM ex-fuel should decline throughout the year as we improve efficiency with CASM ex-fuel in the fourth quarter 2023 being in the high 6’s."

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Spirit has a lot of weak captains that won't follow the contract, because they don't want to be bothered to upload a receipt to concur. If it takes more than 30 minutes for transportation, get a cab. If you can't get a hold of scheduling during a meltdown, buy the crew's rooms and sort it out later. There's no reason to hang out all day at the airport because you can't be an adult.

Originally Posted by SSlow

Oh yes there is, and it's called sit pay. Nothing wrong with getting paid for a little airport appreciation time while the inevitable rest conflict for your next duty period rears its ugly head.

Do you people even work here?

Originally Posted by symbian simian

You are on duty and get sit pay until you are released from duty by the CBA approved way. Might as well do that in the hotel while you wait for that to happen. 10+ years at NK.

Originally Posted by SSlow

Oh yes there is, and it's called sit pay. Nothing wrong with getting paid for a little airport appreciation time while the inevitable rest conflict for your next duty period rears its ugly head.

Do you people even work here?

Originally Posted by SSlow

Depends on which game you're playing. If I know that I am most likely getting a DH home the next day then I'll wait at the airport so I'm ready to get released and bolt for the JS when the phone rings.

Of course that only works in a buiser airport with a ton of flights.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

might I add it’s not our job to release ourselves. If we can’t get ahold of the company and/or they won’t release us they’ve broken the cba and it’s grounds for a grievance.

yes there’s the approved self release during a meltdown but that’s just so you don’t HAVE to sit around. No where does it say you should or have to follow that.

CA was telling me during a melt down the company forgot about him for 4 days and left him stranded. He not only got reimbursed for the hotel and meals but he was given nearly 100hrs credit in a grievance. (24x4days)

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

CA was telling me during a melt down the company forgot about him for 4 days and left him stranded. He not only got reimbursed for the hotel and meals but he was given nearly 100hrs credit in a grievance. (24x4days)

Originally Posted by Czpilot

does the company reimburse 100% of the hotel cost ?

is any budget for hotel per night?

Originally Posted by symbian simian

I talked to a pilot that expensed an $800 room when his room wasn't ready after a red-eye. Not saying it was an okay thing to do, because would rather avoid the company getting strict with this.