How far out are class dates?
#41
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You can’t say “100%” and then add the “but.”
Read what he wrote, specifically the “control what you can control” part and you’ll be much happier in this career, whatever airline you end up at.
It’s tiresome because you expect the dog to meow or water to not be wet. Spirit is Spirit. I’ve been here a longer than you and I get the tiresome point, I really do. But I also know my input and ideas on operational efficiency means nothing to anyone who can enact change. So they don’t care, and in turn, I don’t care either. I show up, so the job, don’t get violated, cash the checks and enjoy family time. The miserable guys are the ones who start every sentence with “if those morons only…”
Know your lane, stay in it, control what you can control, remember “it is what it is,” and realize the grass is never greener on the other side. Best advice I have after 20 years in the industry.
Read what he wrote, specifically the “control what you can control” part and you’ll be much happier in this career, whatever airline you end up at.
It’s tiresome because you expect the dog to meow or water to not be wet. Spirit is Spirit. I’ve been here a longer than you and I get the tiresome point, I really do. But I also know my input and ideas on operational efficiency means nothing to anyone who can enact change. So they don’t care, and in turn, I don’t care either. I show up, so the job, don’t get violated, cash the checks and enjoy family time. The miserable guys are the ones who start every sentence with “if those morons only…”
Know your lane, stay in it, control what you can control, remember “it is what it is,” and realize the grass is never greener on the other side. Best advice I have after 20 years in the industry.
I stay in my line just fine and it is what it is. That doesn’t make it less tiresome. And no, not every airline operates with this level of incompetence except maybe frontier. A lot of things at most of the big three and big two cargo just work. Hiccups yes but mostly just work. Here, it’s fubar day in and day out.
#42
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100% they do assess column A vs column B but they are miscalculating.
I stay in my line just fine and it is what it is. That doesn’t make it less tiresome. And no, not every airline operates with this level of incompetence except maybe frontier. A lot of things at most of the big three and big two cargo just work. Hiccups yes but mostly just work. Here, it’s fubar day in and day out.
I stay in my line just fine and it is what it is. That doesn’t make it less tiresome. And no, not every airline operates with this level of incompetence except maybe frontier. A lot of things at most of the big three and big two cargo just work. Hiccups yes but mostly just work. Here, it’s fubar day in and day out.
#43
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Got the latest metrics post Covid? I don’t think what you’re saying is true in the last year. Also let’s look at profits. This place can’t get out of its own way to make a dollar and it’s purely operational. There is no other reason we aren’t making money. None
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Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...
Pre-covid that was an anomaly
#45
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I think our aircraft are still underutilized. Quite a few airplanes are just sitting around in our larger bases it seems.
Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...
Pre-covid that was an anomaly
Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...
Pre-covid that was an anomaly
#46
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I think our aircraft are still underutilized. Quite a few airplanes are just sitting around in our larger bases it seems.
Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...
Pre-covid that was an anomaly
Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...
Pre-covid that was an anomaly
many reasons why aircraft are underutilized but part of it is crew underutilization. Delays and inefficiencies (that are controllable) causing crews to time out, be out of position under anticipating the reserve needed and then having to use reserves from other bases etc. every company has wx and mx issues to deal with and every company has operational hiccups. But it’s an everyday occurrence with spirit and throw in the fact that instead of being proactive to remedy an issue they are reactive towards everything compounds those issues.
#47
And this is purely operational. There isn’t a good reason why the aircraft we have cannot be utilized at the optimal level. Every reason for it leads right back to operational incompetence. It creates frustration among employees which creates massive turnover among other things and suboptimal utilization.
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And this is purely operational. There isn’t a good reason why the aircraft we have cannot be utilized at the optimal level. Every reason for it leads right back to operational incompetence. It creates frustration among employees which creates massive turnover among other things and suboptimal utilization.
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usually when I check in for a trip whatever punches come our way I just deal with till the time I’m released from the trip. But the inability to make a decision that either keeps the trip on track or minimizes disruptions sucks. When they keep on on duty senselessly when they could either release us early given the situation or make a change that keeps us on schedule but don’t just to keep us till we officially time out really is frustrating.
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#50
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As others have mentioned this way of operating isn't specific to just NK... It happens everywhere. It's, unfortunately, the job.
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