symbian simian

7 years left seat. Had to ask for an alt once. Did have 2 3-days in a row when that wasn't allowed. Definitely haven't run out of space for little orange stickers in a long time. Will say I've twice had problems getting backup from the CPs about technical issues when it mattered. Was resolved by RR, but still.

Justabusdriver1

couple months back ca had to request a change to the alt because they randomly decided Albany was a good option instead of like ewr or Philly. No ops or support at Albany had the ca scratching their head.

symbian simian

SGU. and it was snowing. But wx at LAS was ok so didn't argue about it.....

JulesWinfield

There was a 3 month stretch where they would file the wrong arrivals going into DFW. I don’t know if it’s turnover, or what, but the spirit dispatchers were pretty bad at planning. Routing through TS, wrong arrivals, bad alternates, etc. Enroute, they seemed better and sending updates and what not.

SSlow

Sometimes they'll give you an alternate that is further away just to get more fuel on, and then you can amend it in the air.

RemoveB4flght

Column A: cost efficiencies achieved through increasing pay and training to ground and underwing staff, revamping dispatch, ops, and network planning, and making significant investments into overhauling IT and passenger interface, overhauling training footprints, etc.

Column B: Money saved by not doing above - Money spent on consequences of not doing above.

Accountants: which pile of money is larger? Solution: do that.

me: follows the contract, does what I am paid to do, worries about the things I can control, let’s others worry about the things I cannot, carries on living the rest of my life.

Noisecanceller

100% but the problem is they are seriously miscalculating bc we keep losing money. Other problem is it creates agrivation out on the line with everyone. You have a lot less calls for the cops and fights and just generally ****ed off customers when you run an on time operation. We can’t prevent wx or mx issues but a lot of our issues are controllable and it’s tiresome.

CincoDeMayo

You can’t say “100%” and then add the “but.”

Read what he wrote, specifically the “control what you can control” part and you’ll be much happier in this career, whatever airline you end up at.


It’s tiresome because you expect the dog to meow or water to not be wet. Spirit is Spirit. I’ve been here a longer than you and I get the tiresome point, I really do. But I also know my input and ideas on operational efficiency means nothing to anyone who can enact change. So they don’t care, and in turn, I don’t care either. I show up, so the job, don’t get violated, cash the checks and enjoy family time. The miserable guys are the ones who start every sentence with “if those morons only…”

Know your lane, stay in it, control what you can control, remember “it is what it is,” and realize the grass is never greener on the other side. Best advice I have after 20 years in the industry.

Halon1211

it may not be getting greener around here but it will be getting bluer…

as for the complaining about the funny Alternate airport like Albany or Saint George, That’s just really to check the legality box. When you are in the air, and it comes down to it. Divert where you need to, then tell them where the better option is. As someone else pointed out they probably just did that to give you more gas.

Justabusdriver1

agreed with noise. They can do what they want but operational choices soon start to affect flight crew and makes our jobs harder or more complicated. We don’t have the support of management or good ancillary staff that would otherwise make this job easier and smoother.


the original topic started because a new hire said that this place has fantastic qol and therefore should be a career destination for anyone and everyone. The reality is operationally things can be a head, more of a headache than it has to be only because of the financial/operational decisions management makes.