CincoDeMayo

Haha. I actually like you man, for what it’s worth. Normally when someone comes on here with low experience, they blow a fuse when the first guy mocks what they don’t know, what they don’t know. But, you take it well.

johnvito

You mean Republic is regressing to four years of payscale for FOs. Local 357 had to fight for years to get better pay scales for FOs there.

Signed,

A long time member of the 36.62 club.

careerch8nger

Thank you, kind stranger.

GrumpyCaptain

If your a finance major than do the math. Go get you atp next week and be in Airbus class at spirit or frontier about 3 weeks later.

I’m confused what the question is?

it took me 10 years of poverty and a lot of Marlboro reds to get into an Airbus and I had it easy. Embrace your hardship of paying for an atp and get your senority number asap.

lineupandhold

This.

Low experienced pilots (in terms of larger jet & 121 ops- not hours) will struggle. Patience is also important in this industry.

RemoveB4flght

Yes, a small number of people are doing it, so what. Flew with a kid the other day just barely past his ATP mins, never seen someone working harder. Organized, sharp, valued every bit of advice and I could tell he had done the same with previous captains. Yes sir, no sir, sheet…. I’ll bet if I had told him to go downstairs and run ten laps around the plane he would have done it without hesitation. It’s not about the ego boost, it’s that he realized the tremendous opportunity and at the same time just how much he doesn’t know about so many things. That attitude is the difference between guys who are future captains in the making and guys who just learn how to “FO”.

Point is, this isn’t a cost/benefit analysis, sooner or later you’ll have to put in the time. The way this industry is moving, it will put you in a seat you aren’t ready for, left and right. Not every pilot has the maturity or lack of entitlement to realize that, and it will translate to the safety record in coming years.

If you’re that hesitant to pay for an ATP that would most likely secure you a ULCC interview, then I’d imagine your true goal is a legacy job. That’s cool, everyone should strive for what they want and I hope you find your way. Im actually kind of enjoying the fact that these grizzled legacy instructors and captains get to shoulder the burden of shaping and molding the fresh meat. For too long their FNG’s were 35-40 y/o veterans of the lower rungs of 121 ops, and now they get to teach things like crosswind landings and how to talk on the radio.

kjrocka

I recently finished the Spirit program with only ATP written done and no 121 or Jet experience (ATP direct program). The program was very challenging IMO and certainly not geared toward someone with my low experience level. I often found myself confused and behind and had to resist the tendency to get frustrated. The training department appears to have built the program around assumptions that you just need to learn the jet and not much else. Luckily I had a sim partner who was willing to answer my thousands of questions about everything else! haha. I busted my a$$ and got through it. Don’t try it if you aren’t willing to grind. It was pretty tough. I’m sure the line will be a challenge as well. Looking forward to it 😊

careerch8nger

I actually don't have an end goal (outside of 121 in general), but I was just wanting to confirm that they were hiring wet ATP's (or even just ATP writtens) to begin with before going and knocking it out. It wasn't so much about the money, just wanting to make sure that it wouldn't be a waste in the sense I wouldn't get an interview and then would get it paid for a few months later. So I'll head to Dallas next week and knock it out! Being able to potentially stay west coast for me is a bigger priority now.

Alpiner

Clearly you weren’t in the industry 10 years ago.

baseball3792

Obviously it’s way better than it was 10 years ago, for everyone involved. But people seem to have the misconception that 1500hr cfis can still just walk in to a regional and get a class date next week. That is no longer the case.