Interviews with ATP Written Only?
#41
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
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I knew that one wouldn't go over well...clearly there are people coming from CFI'ing and making it through, though I only know of them coming from "approved programs" at this point.
I don't think I'm special or better than anyone, but it sounds like this is already happening and those people are surviving. Ideal? For sure it's not. But if it's an option, why wouldn't I investigate it?
I don't think I'm special or better than anyone, but it sounds like this is already happening and those people are surviving. Ideal? For sure it's not. But if it's an option, why wouldn't I investigate it?
#42
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Signed,
A long time member of the 36.62 club.
#43
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#44
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
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If your a finance major than do the math. Go get you atp next week and be in Airbus class at spirit or frontier about 3 weeks later.
I’m confused what the question is?
it took me 10 years of poverty and a lot of Marlboro reds to get into an Airbus and I had it easy. Embrace your hardship of paying for an atp and get your senority number asap.
I’m confused what the question is?
it took me 10 years of poverty and a lot of Marlboro reds to get into an Airbus and I had it easy. Embrace your hardship of paying for an atp and get your senority number asap.
#45
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
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Should I phrase it as “you’re a CFI and the training program will most likely chew you up and spit you out.” Should I say “anyone that hasn’t even passed the ATP written probably needs more experience before they fly an airbus?”
I really don’t care what the regionals are doing or what the hours are guys are flying, but I do know instructing in a Piper Seminole is nothing like a cost cutting 121 Airbus program.
And this is nothing against the guy, we were all there, sometimes you don’t know what you dont know.
Just think of the things in the 121 world that don’t exist in GA instructing, and then think of how compressed and lacking our training is. And then ask how well trained this guy will be once he heads off for IOE? You think they teach ramp operations in training? Little day to day things we take for granted that won’t be discussed until he hits IOE, hopefully without a pink slip with training. Hopefully he isn’t one of the guys who gets to a type ride and then they notice he doesn’t have an ATP written.
This is and never will be the training program for someone who is short on experience.
I really don’t care what the regionals are doing or what the hours are guys are flying, but I do know instructing in a Piper Seminole is nothing like a cost cutting 121 Airbus program.
And this is nothing against the guy, we were all there, sometimes you don’t know what you dont know.
Just think of the things in the 121 world that don’t exist in GA instructing, and then think of how compressed and lacking our training is. And then ask how well trained this guy will be once he heads off for IOE? You think they teach ramp operations in training? Little day to day things we take for granted that won’t be discussed until he hits IOE, hopefully without a pink slip with training. Hopefully he isn’t one of the guys who gets to a type ride and then they notice he doesn’t have an ATP written.
This is and never will be the training program for someone who is short on experience.
Low experienced pilots (in terms of larger jet & 121 ops- not hours) will struggle. Patience is also important in this industry.
#46
I knew that one wouldn't go over well...clearly there are people coming from CFI'ing and making it through, though I only know of them coming from "approved programs" at this point.
I don't think I'm special or better than anyone, but it sounds like this is already happening and those people are surviving. Ideal? For sure it's not. But if it's an option, why wouldn't I investigate it?
I don't think I'm special or better than anyone, but it sounds like this is already happening and those people are surviving. Ideal? For sure it's not. But if it's an option, why wouldn't I investigate it?
Point is, this isn’t a cost/benefit analysis, sooner or later you’ll have to put in the time. The way this industry is moving, it will put you in a seat you aren’t ready for, left and right. Not every pilot has the maturity or lack of entitlement to realize that, and it will translate to the safety record in coming years.
If you’re that hesitant to pay for an ATP that would most likely secure you a ULCC interview, then I’d imagine your true goal is a legacy job. That’s cool, everyone should strive for what they want and I hope you find your way. Im actually kind of enjoying the fact that these grizzled legacy instructors and captains get to shoulder the burden of shaping and molding the fresh meat. For too long their FNG’s were 35-40 y/o veterans of the lower rungs of 121 ops, and now they get to teach things like crosswind landings and how to talk on the radio.
#47
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Joined APC: Mar 2021
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I recently finished the Spirit program with only ATP written done and no 121 or Jet experience (ATP direct program). The program was very challenging IMO and certainly not geared toward someone with my low experience level. I often found myself confused and behind and had to resist the tendency to get frustrated. The training department appears to have built the program around assumptions that you just need to learn the jet and not much else. Luckily I had a sim partner who was willing to answer my thousands of questions about everything else! haha. I busted my a$$ and got through it. Don’t try it if you aren’t willing to grind. It was pretty tough. I’m sure the line will be a challenge as well. Looking forward to it 😊
#48
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I actually don't have an end goal (outside of 121 in general), but I was just wanting to confirm that they were hiring wet ATP's (or even just ATP writtens) to begin with before going and knocking it out. It wasn't so much about the money, just wanting to make sure that it wouldn't be a waste in the sense I wouldn't get an interview and then would get it paid for a few months later. So I'll head to Dallas next week and knock it out! Being able to potentially stay west coast for me is a bigger priority now.
#49
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Oh I don’t doubt our training program would spit some people out. But the fact of the matter is it’s not so easy to just go to a regional anymore either. Not saying spirit is a great choice, but sitting around doing nothing but continuing to instruct until a regional eventually gets around to your name (if ever before they just fold) isn’t great either. The industry isn’t in a great spot for 1500 hour cfis right now
#50
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Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 182
Obviously it’s way better than it was 10 years ago, for everyone involved. But people seem to have the misconception that 1500hr cfis can still just walk in to a regional and get a class date next week. That is no longer the case.
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