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Old 02-19-2023, 05:06 PM
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Why didn’t the UAL guys “understand a gain and take it”? Just curious.
Because it wasn’t a gain. Numerous work rule changes that were not liked.
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Old 02-19-2023, 05:16 PM
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Why didn’t the UAL guys “understand a gain and take it”? Just curious.
Do you eat pain chips straight or on your ice cream?
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Old 02-19-2023, 05:20 PM
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What does that even mean? I’m happy we, and 69% of this group understand a gain and took it. You’re the one crying about being a “joke to the industry” and lose sleep that people are laughing at you. I’m the emotional one?

I’m cashing larger paychecks because of this deal while you cry about fictitious pilots laughing at you.
Why didn’t the UAL guys “understand a gain and take it”? Just curious.
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Id rather us send them a resounding “NO” and them not come back to the table at all then show the entire industry what a weak joke we are. Happy to take what table scraps daddy Ted will give them.
Big difference between "then" and "than" here. Assuming you meant the latter. Like saying you'd rather get herpes then gonorrhea.
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:18 PM
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Big difference between "then" and "than" here. Assuming you meant the latter. Like saying you'd rather get herpes then gonorrhea.
Oh yea "than" glad you pointed that out, otherwise no one would understand what I was talking about. Does this mean I get an "A" on my internet forum English paper?
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Old 02-19-2023, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Do you eat pain chips straight or on your ice cream?
aka "I have no valuable rebuttal".

I just hope for both our sakes between now and JCBA time the 69% of our pilot group grows a pair.
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Old 02-20-2023, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

A full fledged section 6 if the merger fails always takes some time, just as 2018 and 2010 took a long time. Even more reason why it’s beneficial we voted this in, that’s years at higher 2023 rates vs 2018 rates. Six figures difference for each pilot.
That is only accurate if you believe that had we voted no, the company would have withdrawn the $463 million offer that it was convinced would help recruitment/attrition, and left the table until forced to return for section 6. Because it was worth $463 million to them to get first year relief, but it wouldn’t have been worth oh I don’t know, $500 million or whatever would bridge the gap to current rates…. and they would have just walked away because we hurt their feelings and punished us with 2018 rates while continuing to try to recruit and retain with the lowest first year in the industry. AND that if we had voted no, negotiated for a couple months more up the amendable date (which we still haven’t reached by the way) and came to an absolute stalemate where not one further dollar could be obtained… that the company would NOT agree to the original TA terms backdated to Jan 1.

I mean, at least admit that your six figure shortfall would be predicated on that exact scenario happening before you try to convince people we would be on 2018 rates with a No vote.
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Old 02-20-2023, 12:53 PM
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I swear all the No voters live incredibly miserable lives. Have to be able to say they’re the highest paid pilots to fulfill themselves.
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Old 02-20-2023, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght
That is only accurate if you believe that had we voted no, the company would have withdrawn the $463 million offer that it was convinced would help recruitment/attrition, and left the table until forced to return for section 6. Because it was worth $463 million to them to get first year relief, but it wouldn’t have been worth oh I don’t know, $500 million or whatever would bridge the gap to current rates…. and they would have just walked away because we hurt their feelings and punished us with 2018 rates while continuing to try to recruit and retain with the lowest first year in the industry. AND that if we had voted no, negotiated for a couple months more up the amendable date (which we still haven’t reached by the way) and came to an absolute stalemate where not one further dollar could be obtained… that the company would NOT agree to the original TA terms backdated to Jan 1.

I mean, at least admit that your six figure shortfall would be predicated on that exact scenario happening before you try to convince people we would be on 2018 rates with a No vote.
That’s exactly it. If we voted it down we are back on 2018 rates unless all of the “what ifs” you mentioned happen. Facts are, if we voted it down, we are 2018 rates. What rates do you think we have if we voted it down? There is no guarantee of what you “feel” will happen. The only fact is voting down the tA puts us at 2018 rates UNLESS other pieces move.
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Old 02-20-2023, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
see what I’m saying about the yes voters being super sensitive? Lol
Idk, you’ve been pretty sensitive this whole time ngl
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