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01-30-2023, 05:40 PM

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8JRMfortheyear

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Originally Posted by BunkerF16

I'm sorry if that is how it was explained/sold to you. I will bet the chance NK gets B6 rates in the TPA is very low.

Low? LOL how about non existent .

01-30-2023, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear

Low? LOL how about non existent .

I was trying to be a little more diplomatic. Lol.

01-30-2023, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BunkerF16

I was trying to be a little more diplomatic. Lol.

The expectation is NOT for NK to achieve B6 rates in the TPA but for achieving a JCBA with economics and work rules we can all be proud of.

01-30-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stomper

The expectation is NOT for NK to achieve B6 rates in the TPA but for achieving a JCBA with economics and work rules we can all be proud of.

The TPA is really just the outline of the roadmap on how the airlines are going to merge into one operating entity. Rarely, if ever, does it include things like pay increases. Those will be ironed out in the JCBA. Here's the statement straight from ALPA.

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01-30-2023, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by I was inverted

Congrats discount airline pilot guy. You’ll understand in a year or so.

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01-30-2023, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BunkerF16

Bunker did you not read my post?
I said achieving B6 rates in the TPA is NOT the expectation.
I know what the TPA is for.
Maybe you were just posting for the benefit of others.

01-30-2023, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stomper

Bunker did you not read my post?
I said achieving B6 rates in the TPA is NOT the expectation.
I know what the TPA is for.
Maybe you were just posting for the benefit of others.

Wasn't directed at you specifically and wasn't meant to argue vs your post.

01-31-2023, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes

Spirit TA was sold on the expectation that we will get economic symmetry in the TPA, not by voting no and going for TA 2.0. I expect that goal to be met.

haha your MEC lied to you

01-31-2023, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

haha your MEC lied to you

Would honestly like to know the benefit the NC has in lying to the pilot group?

There used to be silly rumors of “ACY is staying a base because of a special deal between one of the negotiators and management.”

01-31-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sioux8ships

I don’t think anyone is lying to your pilot group. I just think they’re over inflating the chances of getting the pay parity.

There are 4 entities in these negotiations: NK management. B6 management. NK MEC/NC. B6 MEC/NC. 3 out of the 4 would be against the pay parity. Never say never but the chances of getting B6 pay rates before the JCBA is, as I said before, very very low.