Spirit contract negotiation history question
01-15-2023, 11:29 AM
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Spirit contract negotiation history question
Please correct me if I'm wrong on my history but my understanding is that in 2018 Spirit management attempted to negotiate directly with the pilots by sending a summary of the offer directly to their homes.
This didn't work and the Spirit pilots ended up going on strike.
My question is: Was this worth it? How much was gained by holding out vs the pay lost those months that the pilots remained at the lower pay rates?
Thanks in advance
This didn't work and the Spirit pilots ended up going on strike.
My question is: Was this worth it? How much was gained by holding out vs the pay lost those months that the pilots remained at the lower pay rates?
Thanks in advance
01-15-2023, 11:57 AM
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Please correct me if I'm wrong on my history but my understanding is that in 2018 Spirit management attempted to negotiate directly with the pilots by sending a summary of the offer directly to their homes.
This didn't work and the Spirit pilots ended up going on strike.
My question is: Was this worth it? How much was gained by holding out vs the pay lost those months that the pilots remained at the lower pay rates?
Thanks in advance
This didn't work and the Spirit pilots ended up going on strike.
My question is: Was this worth it? How much was gained by holding out vs the pay lost those months that the pilots remained at the lower pay rates?
Thanks in advance
No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike
We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.
Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.
01-15-2023, 12:00 PM
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Yes, they sent the same Allegiant style packages to our house. Many of us “return to sender” the packages
No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike
We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.
Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.
No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike
We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.
Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.
01-15-2023, 01:26 PM
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Yes, they sent the same Allegiant style packages to our house. Many of us “return to sender” the packages
No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike
We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.
Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.
No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike
We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.
Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.
01-15-2023, 01:40 PM
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That’s the point of the mailer. You can’t vote on it. Classic outdated union busting crap. Trust your union leadership. If they’re not sending you a deal to vote on in the form of a TA then it’s not worth ratifying. Best to just ignore it.
01-15-2023, 02:10 PM
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And your union speaks for you, so no need to anything else than to send it unopened back to the company.
01-15-2023, 02:44 PM
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01-15-2023, 02:47 PM
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SWA management did something similar back in the day. Randy Babbitt, a former labor supporter, was hired at SWA as their new "Labor" guy, basically a labor buster. I remember he created a website which posted all of the CBAs of the organized group, SWA has a bunch, I think 7 or 8, and posted their contracts on the website. Clearly this was to cause problems amongst the groups; labor busting 101
01-15-2023, 05:20 PM
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Right… so why would they be in favor of the deal that they ended up voting no on if they seriously thought there were no changes made? If your point is that we have some uninformed voters of course. We also have Yes voters this time around who apparently thought our monthly guarantee changed to 78 hrs because that’s the average the union used to sell the TA.
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