Spirit contract negotiation history question

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01-15-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BKbigfish

Right… so why would they be in favor of the deal that they ended up voting no on if they seriously thought there were no changes made? If your point is that we have some uninformed voters of course. We also have Yes voters this time around who apparently thought our monthly guarantee changed to 78 hrs because that’s the average the union used to sell the TA.

cinco is a alpa cheerleader. Also, don’t forget 2018 TA when the company tried to sue alpa. Talk about selling the TA ! Two separate ordeals not one but you know what? I have faith in my union.

01-18-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeakygreaser

Please correct me if I'm wrong on my history but my understanding is that in 2018 Spirit management attempted to negotiate directly with the pilots by sending a summary of the offer directly to their homes.

While technically they sent it "to the pilots," in reality they sent it "to the wives." They also published it for all employees to see. This helps sow discord among the gate agents, ramp, FAs, etc, who can all see just how "greedy" we all are to see the rates out of context. It's a very low blow.

01-28-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Yet we still have guys who post the following, thinking it was the same as we were sent.
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Do you still have the mailer? I don’t but I sure as spit remember very little difference between that and the eventual TA. 22 hr duty day trigger was changed. For worse.

edit-Of course a TA 2018 no voter would’ve voted no to JBs “offer”.

01-28-2023, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lowandslow

Honestly, does it matter? I can send a mailer to everyone in the C suite that I will take DL rates in exchange for waiving the commute policy. IF IT IS NOT THROUGH THE UNION IT MEANS $#!T.

01-29-2023, 05:04 AM

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Honestly, does it matter? I can send a mailer to everyone in the C suite that I will take DL rates in exchange for waiving the commute policy. IF IT IS NOT THROUGH THE UNION IT MEANS $#!T.

Unless you’re on the NC that’s nowhere near a good rebuttal. It was presented as being the latest offer to the union. My question was what changed between then and the TA?

01-29-2023, 04:13 PM

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Unless you’re on the NC that’s nowhere near a good rebuttal. It was presented as being the latest offer to the union. My question was what changed between then and the TA?

It was the highlights, not a TA. It meant nothing. Maybe the rates didn't change, but there's more to a CBA than 1 page of section 3. Look at what happened to line bidding and reserve. Not even mentioned in the mailer AFAIK. And no, it didn't get better with the CBA, but you can't take that mailer as anything but an insult to the process.

01-29-2023, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lowandslow

Unless you’re on the NC that’s nowhere near a good rebuttal. It was presented as being the latest offer to the union. My question was what changed between then and the TA?

Real LTD. Anything presented was not worth the paper it was printed on without that key item.

Also, 401k DC overages after IRS max was met. Another biggie.